#2 dry fouls plugs, why?
07-11-2018, 09:41 AM
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#2 dry fouls plugs, why?
'87 w/L98
Not sure what's the problem here. A new plug in #2 cylinder will run fine for about 100 miles, then start missing and be fouled on removal, oily. Repeat, same thing. Chasing this, I've pulled the plug after 50 miles, before missing starts. At that time, the plug is black, DRY black. That indicates rich mixture, right? What would cause that?
Currently, I think it's worn rings causing low compression, meaning engine rebuild. I'd be pissed if after rebuild this still happened, already had heads and valves serviced, valve seals replaced and all other kinds of stuff except a rebuild.
Not sure what's the problem here. A new plug in #2 cylinder will run fine for about 100 miles, then start missing and be fouled on removal, oily. Repeat, same thing. Chasing this, I've pulled the plug after 50 miles, before missing starts. At that time, the plug is black, DRY black. That indicates rich mixture, right? What would cause that?
Currently, I think it's worn rings causing low compression, meaning engine rebuild. I'd be pissed if after rebuild this still happened, already had heads and valves serviced, valve seals replaced and all other kinds of stuff except a rebuild.
07-11-2018, 09:51 AM
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Wondering if you got a leaky injector
07-11-2018, 10:21 AM
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50 to 100 miles wow. Leaking or fouled injector. Pressure test with injectors inch above intake look for drip. Swap injectors to verify injector or cylinder problem. On tpi absolutely sucks might just replace injectors. Is engine losing oil? Retorque intake manifold. Make sure #2 intake valve seal is in place. Does exhaust smoke? Rings not sealing I would expect some smoking. Test spark with tester at #2 make sure it's not weak. Wire should ohm less than 10k.
07-11-2018, 11:00 AM
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Melting Slicks
How old cap rotor wires and injectors? My 91 is 26 years old.. LOL This stuff does not last forever.. Do a compression test on the cylinder or leak down on it.
07-12-2018, 10:30 PM
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I've been chasing this for last 2 years.
Out of order:
Replaced plugs.
Replaced plug wires.
Replaced distributor coil, cap.
Replaced injectors (no change, still #2).
Reinstalled inspected heads with 3 new valves.
Replaced valve seals.
Reinstalled intake manifold twice.
Replaced EGR valve.
Replaced fuel regulator.
Replaced some vacuum hoses.
Replaced cold start oring twice (joke, see https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...104-oring.html)
Probably some other items I'm forgetting.
No smoke out of exhaust, not sure if going 60+MPH.
Exhaust doesn't smell weird.
After the plug fouls, I can tell when these days, oil is lost, up to a quart in 50 miles. New plug, when not foul, no oil lost.
No oil drips.
Tried different spark plug wires.
Spark tested, looks good.
All the other plugs look fine, replaced them all twice.
Fuel pressure is good, replaced fuel pump too.
Out of order:
Replaced plugs.
Replaced plug wires.
Replaced distributor coil, cap.
Replaced injectors (no change, still #2).
Reinstalled inspected heads with 3 new valves.
Replaced valve seals.
Reinstalled intake manifold twice.
Replaced EGR valve.
Replaced fuel regulator.
Replaced some vacuum hoses.
Replaced cold start oring twice (joke, see https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...104-oring.html)
Probably some other items I'm forgetting.
No smoke out of exhaust, not sure if going 60+MPH.
Exhaust doesn't smell weird.
After the plug fouls, I can tell when these days, oil is lost, up to a quart in 50 miles. New plug, when not foul, no oil lost.
No oil drips.
Tried different spark plug wires.
Spark tested, looks good.
All the other plugs look fine, replaced them all twice.
Fuel pressure is good, replaced fuel pump too.
Last edited by kael; 07-12-2018 at 10:32 PM.
07-12-2018, 10:47 PM
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Le Mans Master
Compression and leak down test. Replace valve seals #2. When cylinder is firing there is more heat. Parts expand preventing oil loss. Fouled cylinders cooler allows oil loss. Pita but pull head and have it checked
07-12-2018, 11:29 PM
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Melting Slicks
If an 87 has a flat tappet cam I would be checking valve lift on # 2and compare it to another cylinder. Might have a lobe gone flat and my guess an exhaust lobe.
07-13-2018, 01:08 PM
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Race Director
As 2 others have mentioned, do a leakdown test. It'll show you the health or sickness of all the cylinders. Why would you replace all those parts trying to figure out the problem when a simple test with give you a diagnosis?
07-13-2018, 04:54 PM
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Many years ago I had a similar problem. Turned out to be that the expander on the oil ring was broken, allowing excess oil into the combustion chamber. Neither compression test nor leak down showed the problem, engine ran great right up to fouling the plug. No symptoms other than small oil loss over time. I finally pulled the head and the offending piston to find the broken expander. No damage to the cylinder wall so I replaced the oil control rings on that piston. Ran great after that.
If you have access to to a borescope (can get pretty cheap on Amazon) check the cylinder through the spark plug hole and compare with its neighbors. I seem to remember that the offending cylinder and piston were too clean (looked washed down) compared to the adjacent normal ones.
If you have access to to a borescope (can get pretty cheap on Amazon) check the cylinder through the spark plug hole and compare with its neighbors. I seem to remember that the offending cylinder and piston were too clean (looked washed down) compared to the adjacent normal ones.
07-13-2018, 05:37 PM
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If you have access to to a borescope (can get pretty cheap on Amazon) check the cylinder through the spark plug hole and compare with its neighbors. I seem to remember that the offending cylinder and piston were too clean (looked washed down) compared to the adjacent normal ones.
Last edited by 383vett; 07-13-2018 at 05:37 PM.
07-13-2018, 05:40 PM
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Many years ago I had a similar problem. Turned out to be that the expander on the oil ring was broken, allowing excess oil into the combustion chamber. Neither compression test nor leak down showed the problem, engine ran great right up to fouling the plug. No symptoms other than small oil loss over time. I finally pulled the head and the offending piston to find the broken expander. No damage to the cylinder wall so I replaced the oil control rings on that piston. Ran great after that.
If you have access to to a borescope (can get pretty cheap on Amazon) check the cylinder through the spark plug hole and compare with its neighbors. I seem to remember that the offending cylinder and piston were too clean (looked washed down) compared to the adjacent normal ones.
If you have access to to a borescope (can get pretty cheap on Amazon) check the cylinder through the spark plug hole and compare with its neighbors. I seem to remember that the offending cylinder and piston were too clean (looked washed down) compared to the adjacent normal ones.
07-14-2018, 09:57 AM
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If that is the problem, would there be dirty exhaust back to the EGR valve? Both times I had the intake manifold out, the EGR passage was black powder, I don't know if that's due to foul or the lift issue you mentioned.
Damn, do I want to know how much a new shaft is?
Oh, to some others, who said I didn't do compression and leak down tests? An obvious result would have been great.
Damn, do I want to know how much a new shaft is?
Oh, to some others, who said I didn't do compression and leak down tests? An obvious result would have been great.
07-14-2018, 10:58 AM
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dont think #2 feeds egr. egr is black yes.
not a wiped crank, a wiped cam. cheap.
grab/borrow the vac gauge and see if the needle has a down spike like dogs and #7 said.
not a wiped crank, a wiped cam. cheap.
grab/borrow the vac gauge and see if the needle has a down spike like dogs and #7 said.
