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91 won’t stay running once it warms up

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Old 07-14-2018, 05:49 PM
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Default 91 won’t stay running once it warms up

i have a 91 12k miles took it out for the first time in a year ran fine and would not start after trip to store
buddy towed it we changed fuel filter died once it got hot again
change fuel sending unit
same result it will start once it comes off of high idle it starts cutting out and dies it is not MPS

any help would be appreciated
Old 07-15-2018, 02:50 AM
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Fuel filter and sender unit isn´t affected by engine heat.

Is the ignition system in good condition?
It might be a worn out ignition coil. How old is it?
And the ignition module inside the distributor?

12k miles? Haven´t you used it?
My -90 is in the 120k range.
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Originally Posted by Robban_C
Fuel filter and sender unit isn´t affected by engine heat.

Is the ignition system in good condition?
It might be a worn out ignition coil. How old is it?
And the ignition module inside the distributor?

12k miles? Haven´t you used it?
My -90 is in the 120k range.



filter and sending unit were replaced when issue first came up months ago
he heat isssue was not relized until recent attempts to drive
evertthing is original
Old 07-18-2018, 03:14 PM
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Get an ice pack ready. When the car gets warm and dies ice the ECM down to cool it while the engine is still hot. If it starts after icing it could need an ECM rebuild. That's what my 93 was. Mine wouldn't ever die it just wouldn't restart while it was hot. Also sometimes when it was cold it wouldn't start and tapping on the ECM top would make it start. The solder joints shrink over the years. I had mine rebuilt last year for 160ish dollars and it hasn't died or not started since. Worth a try testing it.

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Old 07-18-2018, 10:07 PM
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How about you stop changing things and start diagnosing. When it happens, it is spark or fuel related. Can you restart it? If not, it is a perfect situation. You can check spark and fuel pressure and injector pulse.
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Had a similar problem with a different car, cranksenor, spray it with eletronic cleaner n see if starts
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Originally Posted by Yokesc5
Had a similar problem with a different car, cranksenor, spray it with eletronic cleaner n see if starts
What crank sensor?
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Google for the location, no FRM?
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Originally Posted by Yokesc5
Google for the location, no FRM?
I don't think the L98 has a crank sensor. How are you defining FRM?Not sure of that acronym
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Factory Repair Manual
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Originally Posted by Yokesc5
Factory Repair Manual
OK. People tend to refer to it as FSM or Factory Shop Manual hence the question. I don't think the L98 has a crank sensor
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Read the next thread, look at rockauto, but better yet look at the engine wiring diagram or forget it.
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Originally Posted by Yokesc5
Read the next thread, look at rockauto, but better yet look at the engine wiring diagram or forget it.
I see the crankshaft sensor Rockauto offers. If we lived closer, I'd buy it just to see where you insert it on a 91 Corvette. Do you know what page it is on in the FSM? Last time I put that motor in was years ago and I don't recall such a sensor nor have I seen it on my copy of the FSM. We use a distributor in the L98 so what purpose would it serve?

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I dont have the FSM, but if you google ,there is a diagram showing it at the flywheel end, I have a nissan frontier with the same setup, optispark n cranksensor, the senor on it times the fuel.
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There´s no crank sensor in any of the C4:s (maybe exept for the ZR-1 engine, which I know very little about).
Edit: At least there´s no crank sensor on the L98 and I doubt that there´s one on the LT1 engine. //Edit.
The ignition and fuel injection has all the triggers it needs in the distributor.
And then there´s some senders such as throttle position, intake and coolant temp, MAP or MAF etc.

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Originally Posted by Yokesc5
I dont have the FSM, but if you google ,there is a diagram showing it at the flywheel end, I have a nissan frontier with the same setup, optispark n cranksensor, the senor on it times the fuel.
Or I can look at the engine I put in and see there is NO sensor there.

Optispark is on the LT1 which is 92 to 96. Optispark is mounted on the front of the motor not the flywheel at the rear.

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My '86 was doing the same thing. I replaced the mass air flow sensor and it cured the problem.

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Originally Posted by aklim
Or I can look at the engine I put in and see there is NO sensor there.

Optispark is on the LT1 which is 92 to 96. Optispark is mounted on the front of the motor not the flywheel at the rear.
you have the problem And the OP
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Originally Posted by Salvor6
My '86 was doing the same thing. I replaced the mass air flow sensor and it cured the problem.
Nope. That won't work either. 91 is missing a MAF since it is Speed Density
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Originally Posted by Yokesc5


you have the problem And the OP
Apparently mine runs fine without the crank position sensor and his does not. Perhaps if he installed one and fed the output to the ECM it will cure the problem ,much as I doubt it


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