1987 poor idle open loop
#1
1987 poor idle open loop
So I had posted on this previously but I was able to make a few measurements (described below). Car need valve stem seals, I haven't pulled the covers but it exhibits typical symptom like blue smoke when starting shortly after running, when hitting the throttle after sitting in idle. Still smell oil in the exhaust, but only get smoke in those instances. So I'm pretty sure it's the valve stem seals (128k on the clock). Previous owner put a custom true dual exhaust on the car, only get the oil smell and smoke on driver side.
Vacuum:
COLD: vacuum reads very low, the idle is rough and needs to be feathered the first few seconds to run and it also hunts up and down for idle. Thinking a vacuum leak.
HOT: Once warmed up it runs at about 17mm right on the cusp of the green zone (using harbor freight vacuum gauge). It moves around some slowly but random. When you rev it, it drops to zero recovers and settles. If you slightly increase throttle it rises slightly and is rock solid. I think some of the fluctuation at idle is that the idle is not completely stable. Trying to post some videos.
Compression:
Only able to measure 6/8 cylinders. Could not get the hose to thread in on two of the cylinders (2 & 8). Will have to try again, but below is what I got for the other 6, all within 10% of each other. Measured with engine warm.
1 175
3 185
5 175
7 172
2 NA
4 175
6 170
8 NA
Will update compression numbers when I can get the last two cylinders. I'm trying to determine whether I just have an intake manifold leak, bad injector, possible misfire, or bad valve guide(s). Don't think the stem seal would affect either of these tests.
Vacuum:
COLD: vacuum reads very low, the idle is rough and needs to be feathered the first few seconds to run and it also hunts up and down for idle. Thinking a vacuum leak.
HOT: Once warmed up it runs at about 17mm right on the cusp of the green zone (using harbor freight vacuum gauge). It moves around some slowly but random. When you rev it, it drops to zero recovers and settles. If you slightly increase throttle it rises slightly and is rock solid. I think some of the fluctuation at idle is that the idle is not completely stable. Trying to post some videos.
Compression:
Only able to measure 6/8 cylinders. Could not get the hose to thread in on two of the cylinders (2 & 8). Will have to try again, but below is what I got for the other 6, all within 10% of each other. Measured with engine warm.
1 175
3 185
5 175
7 172
2 NA
4 175
6 170
8 NA
Will update compression numbers when I can get the last two cylinders. I'm trying to determine whether I just have an intake manifold leak, bad injector, possible misfire, or bad valve guide(s). Don't think the stem seal would affect either of these tests.
#2
Here it is cold while warming up with the erratic idle and hunting from 400 to 1200. I read to do the test warm, but I was curious to see what vacuum looked like when it's at its worst.
#3
Team Owner
I'd fix the valve stem seals first. Check compression of the last 2 if you can. After that, we can talk about removing the TB, top plate, IAC, IAC housing and clean everything. Also if you have Multec injectors, might as well toss them and get reman from FIC.
#4
Forgot, pretty sure the injectors are the originals. I measured resistance some time ago but lost my numbers. Will check again. Curious if bad injectors could cause some of the fluctuation in the vacuum reading. I thought it was good that things stabilized by slightly increasing the rpm. My understanding is that the reading should get more erratic if valve guides are bad.
#5
Team Owner
Forgot, pretty sure the injectors are the originals. I measured resistance some time ago but lost my numbers. Will check again. Curious if bad injectors could cause some of the fluctuation in the vacuum reading. I thought it was good that things stabilized by slightly increasing the rpm. My understanding is that the reading should get more erratic if valve guides are bad.
#7
Drifting
If it is hunting for idle spray water on each cyl at the exhaust manifold and see if one cylinder is not working. Found number 7 fuel inj plug corroded , cleaned and no more hunting idle.
Good Luck
Good Luck
#8
So you're talking about looking for a miss by trying to identify a cold cylinder? Good idea, I was thinking about trying by hand before it gets too hot, but this is probably a better approach.
#9
Team Owner