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Old 01-10-2019, 01:45 PM
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It's about time we had a law like this. All road vehicles some with a compliant exhaust system. If you modify it, that's on you. If you bought a used car with a loud exhaust, that's on you. Cars and bikes can be very fast and fun with a reasonably quiet exhaust.
You may ask, "Why can't I have the exhaust sound that I like and not pay a penalty?" Would you smoke and blast loud music in a shared office environment, on a subway, or a street bus... and not expect some consequences? Nobody lives in a bubble all by themselves. We all must share our roads, and residential neighborhoods, and workplaces, etc etc. How is this a revelation for anyone? Are we that selfish and self-righteous to not care how our behaviors impact other people? And just think, some of us behave this way and then actually wonder why our society is turning to s#]T. I'm not saying we should adapt our entire way of living to benefit everyone besides ourselves. I'm saying to have some decency and consideration. This is simple and this benefits everyone. "Me me me" is a downward spiral, and we are living with it today... just look around you, anyone paying any attention will see tons of people looking out for themselves ONLY. And honestly, it sucks.
Take it easy on the throttle when it could disturb others. If you want to let 'er rip, take it to a commercial or industrial area (or a racetrack) and then have a blast.
Don't get me started on the overpopulation problem. Generally, it's uneducated people having the most children. As a species, we have completely screwed ourselves with this one.
I'm just trying to have a good time and do the right thing as long as I'm able -- it's not always easy to do both, but it can be done. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one fighting the good fight.
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It's about time we had a law like this. All road vehicles some with a compliant exhaust system. If you modify it, that's on you. If you bought a used car with a loud exhaust, that's on you. Cars and bikes can be very fast and fun with a reasonably quiet exhaust.
You may ask, "Why can't I have the exhaust sound that I like and not pay a penalty?" Would you smoke and blast loud music in a shared office environment, on a subway, or a street bus... and not expect some consequences? Nobody lives in a bubble all by themselves. We all must share our roads, and residential neighborhoods, and workplaces, etc etc. How is this a revelation for anyone? Are we that selfish and self-righteous to not care how our behaviors impact other people? And just think, some of us behave this way and then actually wonder why our society is turning to s#]T. I'm not saying we should adapt our entire way of living to benefit everyone besides ourselves. I'm saying to have some decency and consideration. This is simple and this benefits everyone. "Me me me" is a downward spiral, and we are living with it today... just look around you, anyone paying any attention will see tons of people looking out for themselves ONLY. And honestly, it sucks.
Take it easy on the throttle when it could disturb others. If you want to let 'er rip, take it to a commercial or industrial area (or a racetrack) and then have a blast.
Don't get me started on the overpopulation problem. Generally, it's uneducated people having the most children. As a species, we have completely screwed ourselves with this one.
I'm just trying to have a good time and do the right thing as long as I'm able -- it's not always easy to do both, but it can be done. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one fighting the good fight.
My track closed down because people built houses by it then complained it was too loud.
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We've always had an exhaust noise law. I got busted for it in the '70's. What this law does is take what was a fit-it ticket and make a money collector. When I got my fix-it ticket, I had to put a stock exhaust back on ($$$) and then get it signed off. It still wasn't cheap.....but now $$$ will go to the Dome, as well. It's not that loud exhaust wasn't illegal before, it now has a little signed piece of paper to go with it.
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Originally Posted by DGXR View Post
It's about time we had a law like this. All road vehicles some with a compliant exhaust system. If you modify it, that's on you. If you bought a used car with a loud exhaust, that's on you. Cars and bikes can be very fast and fun with a reasonably quiet exhaust.
You may ask, "Why can't I have the exhaust sound that I like and not pay a penalty?" Would you smoke and blast loud music in a shared office environment, on a subway, or a street bus... and not expect some consequences? Nobody lives in a bubble all by themselves. We all must share our roads, and residential neighborhoods, and workplaces, etc etc. How is this a revelation for anyone? Are we that selfish and self-righteous to not care how our behaviors impact other people? And just think, some of us behave this way and then actually wonder why our society is turning to s#]T. I'm not saying we should adapt our entire way of living to benefit everyone besides ourselves. I'm saying to have some decency and consideration. This is simple and this benefits everyone. "Me me me" is a downward spiral, and we are living with it today... just look around you, anyone paying any attention will see tons of people looking out for themselves ONLY. And honestly, it sucks.
Take it easy on the throttle when it could disturb others. If you want to let 'er rip, take it to a commercial or industrial area (or a racetrack) and then have a blast.
Don't get me started on the overpopulation problem. Generally, it's uneducated people having the most children. As a species, we have completely screwed ourselves with this one.
I'm just trying to have a good time and do the right thing as long as I'm able -- it's not always easy to do both, but it can be done. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one fighting the good fight.
The problem is it has NOTHING to do with how loud the exhaust is. It has EVERYTHING to do with finding new ways to steal Californians money to dump into the Socialist Black Hole that is the California Budget. They wont use any of this money to improve the environment or roads. Dont kid yourself, this crazy law is just another way to Fuel the corruption in Sacramento.

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The problem is it has NOTHING to do with how loud the exhaust is. It has EVERYTHING to do with finding new ways to steal Californians money to dump into the Socialist Black Hole that is the California Budget. They wont use any of this money to improve the environment or roads. Dont kid yourself, this crazy law is just another way to Fuel the corruption in Sacramento.
The amount of corruption in Sacramento is minimal compared to the incredible and flagrant corruption going on in the White House (or should I say "Orange House") right now! DAMN IT!!! I said earlier I was done being political.
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It's about time we had a law like this. All road vehicles some with a compliant exhaust system. If you modify it, that's on you. If you bought a used car with a loud exhaust, that's on you. Cars and bikes can be very fast and fun with a reasonably quiet exhaust.
You may ask, "Why can't I have the exhaust sound that I like and not pay a penalty?" Would you smoke and blast loud music in a shared office environment, on a subway, or a street bus... and not expect some consequences? Nobody lives in a bubble all by themselves. We all must share our roads, and residential neighborhoods, and workplaces, etc etc. How is this a revelation for anyone? Are we that selfish and self-righteous to not care how our behaviors impact other people? And just think, some of us behave this way and then actually wonder why our society is turning to s#]T. I'm not saying we should adapt our entire way of living to benefit everyone besides ourselves. I'm saying to have some decency and consideration. This is simple and this benefits everyone. "Me me me" is a downward spiral, and we are living with it today... just look around you, anyone paying any attention will see tons of people looking out for themselves ONLY. And honestly, it sucks.
Take it easy on the throttle when it could disturb others. If you want to let 'er rip, take it to a commercial or industrial area (or a racetrack) and then have a blast.
Don't get me started on the overpopulation problem. Generally, it's uneducated people having the most children. As a species, we have completely screwed ourselves with this one.
I'm just trying to have a good time and do the right thing as long as I'm able -- it's not always easy to do both, but it can be done. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one fighting the good fight.
this is why I don't understand specifically stating, no cut outs. That used to be, in most location, the solution. I know it was abused, but so is everything else. Why can't you have it open for track days and closed on the streets.

You do realize a lawn mower is rated at 96dBA. Look at the chart here. I have heard some unreasonable exhaust, but the way the law is written, your 300-500hp car can't make more noise than a 5hp lawn mower, squeeze toy, or arc welder. That is ridiculous. If it was at 100dBA I would feel differently.

Your me,me,me comment can be attributed to unintended consequences of Government support. I will tell you, in smaller cities and rural areas, it is not like this. Oh, it absolutely is in California because of so many people feeling entitled to free money and everyone else knowing (Expecting) the Government to help people in need. I can tell you in the rural south and small cities, people do look out for each other. They also generally treat each other with more respect and acknowledgement.

I lived in an Apartment for 2 years, had one neighbor that would say hi. That was it. I never saw neighbors talking to each other, no neighborhood events or cookouts... nothing. Now where I live, less people, less density, and more interaction. Go Figure.

Voting for the Government to rob money from the working class to give to those who won't is not compassion. Compassion is putting up your own time and money. Certain Socialist states in our union don't seem to understand this and it is unsustainable as people and large business leaves.

Again, very happy I left CA.

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Old 01-10-2019, 05:30 PM
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The amount of corruption in Sacramento is minimal compared to the incredible and flagrant corruption going on in the White House (or should I say "Orange House") right now! DAMN IT!!! I said earlier I was done being political.
Well, we are talking about a law... this thread is 100% political.

You can't honestly think this administration is any more corrupt than any other. They just don't have the deep political ties to get help on the cover up like previous administrations. The current administration is at odds with both parties. Which is good by me, the biggest failure in our political system right now is us as a population being boxed into a two party system and always having to choose one side or the other when most of us don't agree with either 100%.

You want corruption to end, we need at a minimum a viable 3rd party and a viable 4th party would be excellent. Things would be much more fair if one party, even if in majority. wouldn't have enough votes to push laws through. If having only 35% of the house or Senate was a majority and the rest were split between 3 other parties... a lot of compromise would have to be made. Plus at election time, no candidate could rely solely on which party's flag they are running under. They would actually have to take a stand on individual issues. Oh, but I am dreaming.
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My track closed down because people built houses by it then complained it was too loud.
Raceway Park........and then the McMansions came....
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You want corruption to end, we need at a minimum a viable 3rd party and a viable 4th party would be excellent. Things would be much more fair if one party, even if in majority. wouldn't have enough votes to push laws through. If having only 35% of the house or Senate was a majority and the rest were split between 3 other parties... a lot of compromise would have to be made. Plus at election time, no candidate could rely solely on which party's flag they are running under. They would actually have to take a stand on individual issues. Oh, but I am dreaming."

I agree! Having only two viable parties is a recipe for disaster nowadays.
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Raceway Park........and then the McMansions came....
I used to love working in englishtown. Even 5 miles from the track you could still hear test and tune on a calm day. It was built there for a reason. Who'd want to build houses in the literal middle of nowhere.

Atco is probably next but theres never as many people there as E-Town so it's probably safe. The houses are closer to the staging area at atco than E-Town too which really doesn't make sense. I did hear a rumor it may come back though. Who knows.
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In a perfect world, all states would have some clean air guidelines even for 25 year old cars. We all need to breathe.
So I hate to get all political, and I like CA as much as the next guy, I go there often, but this statement is illogical. California has crazy strict "clean air guidelines" and Southern California has the worst air of anywhere I have been in the USA.

Even industrial coal powered steel cities like Birmingham, with no air quality laws, still have air that is a lot, lot better than LA.

Like CA, dislike CA whatever, but it is pretty obvious that the air quality there sucks and it is clearly not an example the rest of the country should follow ... because like you said we all need to breathe and in general that is more difficulty in California.

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To all the unhappy custom exhaust owners in California: Move out of California ASAP!

Not only are your customized vehicles threatened, but terrible things are flowing across our southern boarder to threaten you... according to Trump.
CA Proposition 65. Land of fruits, nuts and snowflakes. \

He might not be right about many things but there is something to be said about the southern border. That is, unless you are open to having a revolving door IN YOUR HOUSE for anyone and everyone to enter as they will?

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Motorcycles and vehicles over 6,000 lbs. GVWR are exempt from this law, and the new fine, which I find to be complete BS. This new addition to the old law was passed by being tacked onto 3 other bills that had NOTHING to do with motor vehicles. ALL of my cars have modified exhaust systems to one extent or another, and none are excessively loud. I will find out how loud they are once a friend of mine gets his Db meter. The law is not written correctly, in my opinion, and the $1,000.00 dollar fine is ridiculous! Funny thing is....I do not have a "motor" in ANY of my cars or trucks that emits noise from the exhaust system. There is a difference between a "motor" and an "engine". Basically, I will carry on as usual here in Commiefornia.

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Motorcycles and vehicles over 6,000 lbs. GVWR are exempt from this law, and the new fine, which I find to be complete BS. This new addition to the old law was passed by being tacked onto 3 other bills that had NOTHING to do with motor vehicles. ALL of my cars have modified exhaust systems to one extent or another, and none are excessively loud. I will find out how loud they are once a friend of mine gets his Db meter. The law is not written correctly, in my opinion, and the $1,000.00 dollar fine is ridiculous! Funny thing is....I do not have a "motor" in ANY of my cars or trucks that emits noise from the exhaust system. There is a difference between a "motor" and an "engine". Basically, I will carry on as usual here in Commiefornia.
Oh holy ****. Now we go from Lump to the great engine/motor debate. This thread went downhill on a rocket sled.

So you put MOTOR OIL in any of those engines Mr "I hate where I live but I'd rather whine about it?"

California was a great place growing up in the 60's/70's. We got out in '88. It can be done.

Never put motor oil in your ENGINE!
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CA Proposition 65. Land of fruits, nuts and snowflakes. \

He might not be right about many things but there is something to be said about the southern border. That is, unless you are open to having a revolving door IN YOUR HOUSE for anyone and everyone to enter as they will?
Okay, I'll follow down this wormhole. We'll get this moved to OT in no time.

Lump wants the taxpayers to fund the wall, so that corporate America (who paid not a cent for the wall) can be repaid by Mexico through a supposed trade deal fix.

If you're one of the few who still believe in trickle-down, that might sound like a good deal. It is a great deal for corporations. But my corporate Plantation Owner made 28 million last year alone. She probably won't even notice the windfall.

The voters sent a clear message in November. We don't want a wall. We don't want to pay for it. We don't even want one paid for by Mexico. But Mitch McConnell is only interested in the voice of the people when it can help him delay and derail a vote on a supreme court justice.

Remember, they cross the border for work. Just like the illegal worker at Lumps Mar-A-Lago. If they couldn't get work, they wouldn't come here.

Jail just ONE CEO for hiring illegals and within a month you'll need a wall to keep them from leaving.

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You want corruption to end, we need at a minimum a viable 3rd party and a viable 4th party would be excellent. Things would be much more fair if one party, even if in majority. wouldn't have enough votes to push laws through. If having only 35% of the house or Senate was a majority and the rest were split between 3 other parties... a lot of compromise would have to be made. Plus at election time, no candidate could rely solely on which party's flag they are running under. They would actually have to take a stand on individual issues. Oh, but I am dreaming."

I agree! Having only two viable parties is a recipe for disaster nowadays.
So long as the parties are all for sale to the highest bidder, there will be corruption. No matter how many you have. Thanks, Citizens United!

I will believe that Corporations are People when Texas executes one.
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It's about time we had a law like this. All road vehicles some with a compliant exhaust system. If you modify it, that's on you. If you bought a used car with a loud exhaust, that's on you. Cars and bikes can be very fast and fun with a reasonably quiet exhaust.
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Take it easy on the throttle when it could disturb others. If you want to let 'er rip, take it to a commercial or industrial area (or a racetrack) and then have a blast.
Don't get me started on the overpopulation problem. Generally, it's uneducated people having the most children. As a species, we have completely screwed ourselves with this one.
I'm just trying to have a good time and do the right thing as long as I'm able -- it's not always easy to do both, but it can be done. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one fighting the good fight.
Right ON - could not agree more. And over population is Earth's #1 problem - in my humble opinion !!!
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Remember, they cross the border for work. Just like the illegal worker at Lumps Mar-A-Lago. If they couldn't get work, they wouldn't come here.

Jail just ONE CEO for hiring illegals and within a month you'll need a wall to keep them from leaving.
Ah, but Sir, How many CEOs do you think you can jail until we come to the lowly Farmer Joe Brown? He is a pillar of the community, goes to church every Sunday faithfully, does good work for the community, etc. Because if hiring an illegal, he loses his livelihood and now he is in jail. When he comes out, his farm will have been liquidated and he will now be destitute and on welfare. Think many of you will have the stomach for this? Sure, you'll cheer the CEO that gets tossed in jail. That is the easy part. Wait till it becomes a Mr Nobody and lets see the resolve to treat everyone equal.
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So long as the parties are all for sale to the highest bidder, there will be corruption. No matter how many you have. Thanks, Citizens United!

I will believe that Corporations are People when Texas executes one.
If you have human beings, you will have corruption whether it is 2 parties or 200 parties. People who are basically bad will find a way.
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Is there more detail to the law. Will officers be carrying sound testing equipment? Do they have a prescribed measuring distance? What about environmental conditions?

It sounds to me the law is written such if you have any aftermarket parts on your exhaust, the cop can just write you a ticket and the state can collect $1,000.
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