aklim

Actually, I think they want what I like to call the "Paper Tiger" effect. It makes others think it has a lot of power. They want to make it sound like the old hot rods because that was what people thought was powerful and if they achieve that sound, others will think that too. Sure, the old hot rods had no choice but to get that sound. Technology wasn't available to do it like we do today where it can be both quieter and powerful. Kinda like wearing the jeans so low that your belt is at the crotch. Probably started out with poor kids wearing oversize clothes since that was all they could afford till it became a fashion

KyleF

More stupid laws coming out of Sacramento. DGXR... Hope you don't plan on repairing your car.

Powernation

Over Lawyered

Jalopnik

Can't be caught:

- Using tools not normally found in a residence;
- Conducted on vehicles registered to persons, not currently residing on the lot or parcel;
- Conducted outside a fully enclosed garage and resulting in any vehicle being inoperable for a period in excess of twenty-four hours.

My Torque wrench, puller, crowfoots, and a host of other tools are probably not commonly found in most residences. Not to mention simple stuff like mic's and calipers.... hmmm. Give and inch and before long you are a mile behind. So glad I left that state.

DGXR

Well, I do 95% of my own vehicle maintenance and repair (factory stock, no mods) using normal garage hand tools, on vehicles registered to myself, inside a fully enclosed 2-car garage.
Torque wrenches, pulley pullers, etc. are hand tools and probably considered normal. Not considered typical/normal would be a vehicle lift, hydraulic pipe/tube benders, CNC machines, metal lathes, etc. (anything considered commercial or industrial). Yes there are pros and cons to every place you could live, including California. We have a lot of sweet backroads around here with good pavement that are super fun to drive.

mtwoolford

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Hey buddy, NICE MOTORCYCLE BUT ITS NOT QUITE LOUD ENOUGH !!! Does the law apply to motorcycles too? I hope so.

hotrodbob01

Hey buddy, NICE MOTORCYCLE BUT ITS NOT QUITE LOUD ENOUGH !!! Does the law apply to motorcycles too? I hope so.[/QUOTE]

All vehicles, but the reality is a small fine for MODIFIED exhaust that is louder than manufactured when new. That said, if it's too loud, you're too old...

cv67

So you couldnt pull an engine out in say a driveway off your alley? Wow.
Some bikes go to far with the noise thing but no way would I ride a whisper quiet one just due to driver distractions
Cant use a celphone but that touchscreen in the middle of the dash is Ok.

aklim

Daytime, I'm good. After say 2100 hrs local time, not much. If it were a "quiet hours" like when I was in a dorm room, I'd be fine.

playsdixie

don't worry....N Korea will have missiles that will reach CA soon.......rooting for them.....

mtwoolford

All vehicles, but the reality is a small fine for MODIFIED exhaust that is louder than manufactured when new. That said, if it's too loud, you're too old...[/QUOTE]

I'm deaf in one ear and half deaf in the other and they're still too loud

KyleF

Well, I have helped a few friends out with basic stuff (Brakes, heater motor, tune ups, timing belts, etc) just to be a nice guy... can't do that. I prefer doing some work outside for the extra space and breeze... can't do that. I find that to be total crap, but doesn't surprise me a Californian would be narcissistic and think only of how it affects themselves.


Highlighted the key word... probably. You don't get to define what is normal, a court hearing does. I would venture to say you wouldn't find a 1/2" drive torque wrench in over 50% of the garages in most neighborhoods. You won't know until you are fined $500 and then find out it cost $700 in court costs to file a complaint or more to defend yourself. Have fun with that.

I know plenty of people with such equipment. Full disclosure, I work in the automotive machined parts industry. More people have small mills/lathes than you may think. Don't forget to include welding and cutting equipment. The days of Commiefornia being a hot bed of Hot Rodding is coming to an end. Being able to customize and work on your car at home was core to the lifestyle. Honestly, I think this is a step toward getting rid of private car ownership, but we will see where it is in 30 years.


Nice weather and back roads... that is all. Boy do you pay dearly to have that.

vette196

so you're rooting for millions of people to die? They are Americans like you or I

Polo Vert

I don't think that is what he means. It just appears that the liberal lawmakers there spend a great deal of time creating frivolous laws to make themselves look important and have no real impact and in doing so make it generally a very expensive and over regulated place to live.

KyleF

Or are shortsighted at best. When I lived there, they banned plastic bags at the store for "Environmental" reason. It backfired horribly. Plastic use went up! People had to actually buy baggies and trash bags (made of heavier plastic) for such functions as cleaning up dog poop, small trash liners, and lunch bags. The idea was using cotton totes would be better for the environment. Even though cotton is consumes a lot of resources to grow. I read it takes between 2000 to 20,000 uses of the cotton tote to make up for the environmental impact of manufacturing.
Stupid!
It got votes though

pacoW

No need for nukes, the state will collapse from within, not a question of if. Socialism is great, until you run out of other people's money. The question is, when they ask uncle sam for a bail out, are you going to use my tax dollars to fund a socialist state?

Gibbles

Oh wow, now they want to stop people from working on their cars in their own garage.

I have a neighbor that hates me, called the cops on me when i painted my boat in the garage (20ft cabin cruiser).

Nearly every weekend I'm out running air tools, they are a serious time saver.

I have a feeling that's what they are going after, people swapping engines in their front yard, and anoying people like me.

Also there is a guy that lives maybe a 1 mile away from me that has a 2 post lift installed in his drive way.
It looks totally ghetto... lol
I think that would qualify as "not normally found".

Glad i don't live in CA, but i do miss surfing...

aklim

Have faith, Buddha provide, like Mr Miyagi said in the Karate Kit.

KyleF

There are always extremes and not being able to have a lift outside or having cars immobilized for an extended period of time outside is something I think we can all get on board with. What I will never understand is I own my house and property. Why can't I have a lift in my garage? Why can't I do in my garage what I want? To me, that is invading on personal property rights. Swapping a rear axle out on my IROC in no way infringes on anyone else's personal freedoms. Building bombs or some other extreme that is already against the law, I get.

I use air tools in my garage and driveway... but I respect my neighbors and don't do it after 10PM or before 8AM. My air tools make less noise than my lawnmower. All it takes is a neighbor or a cop that doesn't like you to catch you up in a legal squabble that you may eventually win, after thousands of dollars of legal expenses and missed work.

DGXR

I hear what you are saying and I agree, if you are using the lift (for example) for your own personal hobby or enjoyment. I think their reasoning is that permanent installation of a vehicle lift at a private residence is a good sign that frequent and/or heavy repairs are being done. They don't want people running illegal businesses out of their residential garages, and unfortunately it happens all the time. People will try to get away with whatever they can, no matter the impact on the lives of others. In other words, people are A holes, which is why laws are necessary in the first place. But it sounds like you are not in this camp and we thank you.

KyleF

Obviously not

Yes, and? That is by your definition and not mine. What each of us define as a heavy repair would vary drastically I think. Let me tell you, after doing the plugs in a few LT cars... I would love a lift for all kinds of purposes. Even just changing oil. It is both quicker and safer than jacks and stands. Brakes are also a lot easier done on a lift. None of that is a heavy repair. You are focused on something "BIG". What you are not seeing is something as small as a set of micrometers could be seen as not being "common". I certainly don't know many people with 12" pullers. I have one. Does that make me illegal?

That might be the single weakest justification of an overbearing Government infringing on your rights I have ever heard.

Americans are not to have their rights infringed because others will break the law.

People brew and distill alcohol illegally... we can still buy and drink beer
People speed... we can still drive
People Drink and Drive.... we still have cars and alcohol
People embezzle money... we can still have personal bank accounts
People murder... we can still have knives and bats(even in CA)
People smoke illegal substances... we can still buy and use a lighter
People run illegal businesses... we should be able to have and use tools - whatever tools we need. Even those specialty ones - which isn't defined and that is always done with a purpose. The purpose is to allow some to get away with it and drop the hammers on others.

aklim

I guess I am not against you having a lift. I am more against you running a side business in a residential area, especially one where it is next to me.