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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 02:48 PM
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You would have to make a custom lid to use two carbs.
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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 09:26 PM
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Yeah, I've seen some info here and there on these, but noting for sure, in other words, nobody that I'm aware of has put these on a flow bench like Jim and did on CF TBs and had checked out what they really were putting out for flow in full configuration. So, I guess at some point I will have to go back and revisit the flow bench when I get some 4.3 TBs and give it spin.

Also, just got back from the WFO and as soon as I mentioned a 421 to the machinist he was ready to start machining today. "Hold up doood...I don't even have a block yet." LOL He said I'll order a SHP block for you today and get it at a discount price. It all sounded good, but I really want to plan this motor out, lots of things to consider on this build if I decide to go forward and lots of cash since I would be getting everything new including heads as well, either Brodix or AFR. So another motor from top to bottom would be new just like the motor that is currently in the 82. While there he also pulled out a NOS system that he said we should put in it since he loves NOS and runs it on everything he owns and knows his stuff when it comes to setting that kind of thing up. The point would be... Well, actually there wouldn't be any point doing that if I were to go CF again on the motor since anybody can throw a bottle at a motor and make it run. I want to see what I can do with just TBs. I know it may sound crazy, but oh well.

And one last thing...The machinist also said that a tripower TB setup on the Renegade would be badass and I should do that first and then we talked a bit about that all while I was comparing it and using his new motor as a reference that has four TBs on top a large plunum somewhat like the CF manifold with over 900 CI sitting there on the stand ready to go into his race car this weekend. Oh what an awesome site that motor is and will truly be a Beasty thing this season.

I was also taking some dimensions off of a four barrel manfild he had lying around while there.
If I'm not being too nosey, what ECMs are guys using (or planning on using) with some of these multiple TBI combinations?
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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 09:43 PM
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Custom top plate for sure...

I'm currently using a 1227747 with EBL Flash II from Dynamic EFI and works fine, but I was thinking that I may want to go with something like the HalTech Elite 1000 should be fine, but I will have to do some research on that whe the time comes.

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 69427
If I'm not being too nosey, what ECMs are guys using (or planning on using) with some of these multiple TBI combinations?
I have an EBL flash II from Dynamic EFI as well. I love it. Integrates very well with 80s and 90s Chevys. I wouldn’t expect there would be much call for them on 1969 427s is though

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 03:11 PM
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Custom top plate for sure...

I'm currently using a 1227747 with EBL Flash II from Dynamic EFI and works fine, but I was thinking that I may want to go with something like the HalTech Elite 1000 should be fine, but I will have to do some research on that whe the time comes.
I'm not familiar with that aftermarket ECM's capabilities. My recollection is that the OEM ECMs (like the 1227747) only have two injector drivers in them, and my curiosity was what ECM/method was being implemented to drive/control more than two injectors.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 69427
I'm not familiar with that aftermarket ECM's capabilities. My recollection is that the OEM ECMs (like the 1227747) only have two injector drivers in them, and my curiosity was what ECM/method was being implemented to drive/control more than two injectors.
The EBL flash II can be used to control TPI batch fire engines. Here is the link https://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GregMartin
The EBL flash II can be used to control TPI batch fire engines. Here is the link https://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_Flash.php
I'm not following your point, here. Unless I'm mistaken, this thread concerns TBI systems, not TPI. The ECM hardware drivers to control TBI injectors is different than the drivers to control PFI injectors.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 08:55 PM
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Here is the info you are asking about for TBI multi injectors, ie. more than two.
Options:
  • Port Mod - Allows the EBL Flash-II to control multi-port injection engines (batch fire)
  • 4 Injector Upgrade - Allows the EBL Flash-II to properly drive 4 TBI injectors or 8 peak and hold (PnH) port injectors

Also, Today I was playing around with the laser and decided to do some TB blank off plates that are aluminum for an external FPR system and this is the results. What do you think? I like them...



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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 69427
I'm not following your point, here. Unless I'm mistaken, this thread concerns TBI systems, not TPI. The ECM hardware drivers to control TBI injectors is different than the drivers to control PFI injectors.
I believe many have done it. You need to choose the Port Mod option to allow for multi port batch fire engines. It becomes a MAF less tune which is probably the only down side for some. There is lots of information on the D EFI web site but you can always email Bob or he tends to answer questions on the Third Gen Board as rBob.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Buccaneer
Here is the info you are asking about for TBI multi injectors, ie. more than two.
Options:
  • Port Mod - Allows the EBL Flash-II to control multi-port injection engines (batch fire)
  • 4 Injector Upgrade - Allows the EBL Flash-II to properly drive 4 TBI injectors or 8 peak and hold (PnH) port injectors

Also, Today I was playing around with the laser and decided to do some TB blank off plates that are aluminum for an external FPR system and this is the results. What do you think? I like them...


I must have been typing at the same time as you. LOL.
Blanking plates look good.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:20 PM
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Thanks Greg. I was thinking that if someone wanted it to say... 1984 CFI maybe above that, I guess I could do that as well. Just need to do the vector art for that, 82 as well I guess.

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Buccaneer
Thanks Greg. I was thinking that if someone wanted it to say... 1984 CFI maybe above that, I guess I could do that as well. Just need to do the vector art for that, 82 as well I guess.
I’ll need them when I decide I need to parallel plumb my throttle bodies but I’m not at that stage of the journey yet .
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GregMartin
I’ll need them when I decide I need to parallel plumb my throttle bodies but I’m not at that stage of the journey yet .
actually I’ll probably just make my own the postage is killer and who known where they would end up
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GregMartin
actually I’ll probably just make my own the postage is killer and who known where they would end up
Maybe at Fred's place in New Zealand. LOL Let me know if you change your mind...three years from now.

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I like the block off plate, but before making a bunch of them, I'd correct the spelling of, "boundries" to "boundaries".
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe93
I like the block off plate, but before making a bunch of them, I'd correct the spelling of, "boundries" to "boundaries".
Oops! Yep, just saw that as well. I can't believe I didn't catch that...

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Buccaneer
Maybe at Fred's place in New Zealand. LOL Let me know if you change your mind...three years from now.
haha bring some in your hand luggage. You never know customs may redirect you to New Zealand so say hello to Fred for me.
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For you guys talking times and base runs. I know this isn't the same but... my 86 has a jillion miles on it and of course the engine needs a freshen. Anyway. when I take it to the drags here in Indy, my runs are usually faster than 14.5 wirh the fastest being 14.03. New mustangs , cameros and other "new" cars, outrun me. So guys. go out there and kick some ***.
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Originally Posted by ghoastrider1
For you guys talking times and base runs. I know this isn't the same but... my 86 has a jillion miles on it and of course the engine needs a freshen. Anyway. when I take it to the drags here in Indy, my runs are usually faster than 14.5 wirh the fastest being 14.03. New mustangs , cameros and other "new" cars, outrun me. So guys. go out there and kick some ***.
Hey Ghostrider1 I don’t think my 84 is going to worry too many at the strip with a theoretical mid to high 13s pass. My 6.0 LS powered SS Commodore will account for mustangs but new Camaros are another story.
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Id love to see a carbed plate be made....not like i have extra $ floating around but suregot the mind going.
Any crossrams out there are too old, dont take a large port or tall valve covers. I dont care whats practical just looks awesome.
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