Vortex Rammer Cold Air System??
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
I dont know what youre talking about, any hole in that shroud is going to rob the radiator of the cooler air it needs. Doesnt matter where it is. You could be losing several hundred CFM that the radiator requires to maintain the current temperatures.
The condensor gets considerably warm, my summer temps without the AC running are in the 190s, if i then turn on the AC, theyll rise into the 220s very quickly. (like within 5 miles) And I already have a 160 and reprogrammed fans. The condensor blocks off that air from the radiator, and puts out enough heat to push it well over where it usually is.
Your temperatures will go up, its that simple. 10F is probably the average amount they'll rise.
The condensor gets considerably warm, my summer temps without the AC running are in the 190s, if i then turn on the AC, theyll rise into the 220s very quickly. (like within 5 miles) And I already have a 160 and reprogrammed fans. The condensor blocks off that air from the radiator, and puts out enough heat to push it well over where it usually is.
Your temperatures will go up, its that simple. 10F is probably the average amount they'll rise.
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (vader86)
I dont know what youre talking about, any hole in that shroud is going to rob the radiator of the cooler air it needs. Doesnt matter where it is. You could be losing several hundred CFM that the radiator requires to maintain the current temperatures.
The condensor gets considerably warm, my summer temps without the AC running are in the 190s, if i then turn on the AC, theyll rise into the 220s very quickly. (like within 5 miles) And I already have a 160 and reprogrammed fans. The condensor blocks off that air from the radiator, and puts out enough heat to push it well over where it usually is.
Your temperatures will go up, its that simple. 10F is probably the average amount they'll rise.
The condensor gets considerably warm, my summer temps without the AC running are in the 190s, if i then turn on the AC, theyll rise into the 220s very quickly. (like within 5 miles) And I already have a 160 and reprogrammed fans. The condensor blocks off that air from the radiator, and puts out enough heat to push it well over where it usually is.
Your temperatures will go up, its that simple. 10F is probably the average amount they'll rise.
The 160 T-stat should help keep things a bit lower this summer, anyways.
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
I am looking into the TPIS and the Breathless units as we speak, they HAVE to be better than stock, or at least less restrictive.
When I dyno my new engine I will swap out the stock unit for the one I choose to buy, probably the TPIS unit. My hope is that the CFM at higher RPM is increased for better flow. They have to flow more CFM than the stock unit, at least according to TPIS's tests. I know Corkvette runs the TPIS unit. :seeya
When I dyno my new engine I will swap out the stock unit for the one I choose to buy, probably the TPIS unit. My hope is that the CFM at higher RPM is increased for better flow. They have to flow more CFM than the stock unit, at least according to TPIS's tests. I know Corkvette runs the TPIS unit. :seeya
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (ld85)
I am looking into the TPIS and the Breathless units as we speak, they HAVE to be better than stock, or at least less restrictive.
When I dyno my new engine I will swap out the stock unit for the one I choose to buy, probably the TPIS unit. My hope is that the CFM at higher RPM is increased for better flow. They have to flow more CFM than the stock unit, at least according to TPIS's tests. I know Corkvette runs the TPIS unit. :seeya
When I dyno my new engine I will swap out the stock unit for the one I choose to buy, probably the TPIS unit. My hope is that the CFM at higher RPM is increased for better flow. They have to flow more CFM than the stock unit, at least according to TPIS's tests. I know Corkvette runs the TPIS unit. :seeya
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
I agree, my motor needs more air and being an 85, I find it hard to believe that the aftermarket setups arent better.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (vader86)
You could be losing several hundred CFM that the radiator requires to maintain the current temperatures.
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (1990CORVETTE)
You could be losing several hundred CFM that the radiator requires to maintain the current temperatures.
My question is,, If you are losing several hundred CFM from the radiator,,, where is it going,,, it is going into the intake right,,,, therefore,,, producing more HP........ Has too be :)
My question is,, If you are losing several hundred CFM from the radiator,,, where is it going,,, it is going into the intake right,,,, therefore,,, producing more HP........ Has too be :)
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
You could be losing several hundred CFM that the radiator requires to maintain the current temperatures.
Exactly. And, any temps that may rise due to the air being robbed, will be made up with the 160 T-stat that's going in. :thumbs:
Exactly. And, any temps that may rise due to the air being robbed, will be made up with the 160 T-stat that's going in. :thumbs:
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (1990CORVETTE)
My question is,, If you are losing several hundred CFM from the radiator,,, where is it going,,, it is going into the intake right,,,, therefore,,, producing more HP........ Has too be :)
youre not getting any extra CFM into the intake that you werent getting before, the idea is to get air thats cooler
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (ld85)
I agree, my motor needs more air and being an 85, I find it hard to believe that the aftermarket setups arent better.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (vader86)
I agree, my motor needs more air and being an 85, I find it hard to believe that the aftermarket setups arent better.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
It should help your car, yours will be able to show the extra HP from cooler air on the dyno. A stock setup apparently does not. Your top restriction will still be in the MAF, if you still have it.
More air will make more HP at some point if your motor, ie. heads cam exhaust, can use the air. I guess I will find out soon.
It should help your car, yours will be able to show the extra HP from cooler air on the dyno. A stock setup apparently does not. Your top restriction will still be in the MAF, if you still have it.
Vader is right
You are not going to get any extra air into the intake,,, because, reguardless, the intake and hoses are still the same size, unless, you start porting everything,,, it should be cooler though, pulling the AIR from underneath,,,,,, but,,,, If I believe right,,, the only true RAM AIR system is the one where you replace the front license plate area with the hole and difusser.... I may be wrong,,, but I have heard this over and over again
If you do purchase the Vortex RA system,,, they are very cool looking :cool: :thumbs:
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (1990CORVETTE)
My car had the TPIS cold air when I bought it, but I haven't noticed any hotter temps compared to what others have posted. The temps are still regulated fine by the fans. I personally wouldn't worry about it...
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
I have one on mine, but it was there when I bought the car. So, I can make no testimony to any HP or performance gains. I can say that it does fit under the hood. And that I cannot hear it sucking air.
That said, I am glad I have it already so I don't have to decide whether to spend the money on it or not. :D
Do you have any other pics, of this installed, besides the two in your gallery?
Thanks!
That said, I am glad I have it already so I don't have to decide whether to spend the money on it or not. :D
Do you have any other pics, of this installed, besides the two in your gallery?
Thanks!
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
Jbaker,
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Whitvette)
Jbaker,
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
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Re: Vortex Rammer Cold Air System?? (Jbaker)
Jbaker,
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
You know what, I've had about a dozen IM's from people that have these, saying they got SOME, but not a ton of performance gains out of them, but they are worth their weight as far as mileage goes! Thanks for confirming that! Mild gains, better mileage, I'll take it!
I just installed the Breathless Vortex on my 93. I had a cut lid with K&N filter. As for performance, I don't notice any difference (I have a 2.59 rear ratio, so to feel any imporvement, I would need to add a ton of HP). The biggest difference I have noticed is as increase in mpg. My fuel economy has risen around 1.5 mpg. For me, that is worth the cost, since I drive over 22,000 miles per year in my Vette.
:cheers:
You know what, I've had about a dozen IM's from people that have these, saying they got SOME, but not a ton of performance gains out of them, but they are worth their weight as far as mileage goes! Thanks for confirming that! Mild gains, better mileage, I'll take it!
