C4 ZR-1's are yesterdays news
10-12-2011, 03:25 PM
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I don't see why people are so defensive about this dealer's statement.
C4's are yesterday's news...C5's are yesterdays news...
Neither of them bring money anymore so why would a dealer care about this car...its not like he's an enthusiast. I find it funny that he was still turned on to a 96 GS...the big money bubble busted on those a couple of years ago. Still bring some cash but about 1/2 of what it once was.
C4's are yesterday's news...C5's are yesterdays news...
Neither of them bring money anymore so why would a dealer care about this car...its not like he's an enthusiast. I find it funny that he was still turned on to a 96 GS...the big money bubble busted on those a couple of years ago. Still bring some cash but about 1/2 of what it once was.
10-12-2011, 04:37 PM
#43
Guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Easy as that. Yeah the zr-1's "old," but it's still a far more impressive car than c5s and c6s if you ask me. I don't think there will ever be a more impressive corvette than the c4 zr-1, that's the reason I bought one.
As far as money and performance goes; I payed 20k for my slightly modded 91 and it can hurt a c6 owners feelings.
As far as money and performance goes; I payed 20k for my slightly modded 91 and it can hurt a c6 owners feelings.
10-12-2011, 05:36 PM
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Old news, The same things were said about the mid to late 60's big block vettes go buy one now. 
Time marches on
Time marches on
10-12-2011, 05:47 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
. Now go away and play with your pushrod in your little pink box. 
10-12-2011, 05:56 PM
#46
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C4 ZR-1's are yesterdays news
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How goes the Battle of the ZR1's? I drove my 150k ZR1 from Vancouver, Washington (Portland Oregon) to Antioch, California (Bay Area) with the Key On for my granddaughter 1st birthday in May 2011. Did not use a drop of Oil. I went to a all vehicle cruise in, in Pittsburg, California. Most the folks "said very nice Vette". Most of the folks who came to the cruise in never seen a ZR1. The value is in the eyes of the owner/beholder.
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How goes the Battle of the ZR1's? I drove my 150k ZR1 from Vancouver, Washington (Portland Oregon) to Antioch, California (Bay Area) with the Key On for my granddaughter 1st birthday in May 2011. Did not use a drop of Oil. I went to a all vehicle cruise in, in Pittsburg, California. Most the folks "said very nice Vette". Most of the folks who came to the cruise in never seen a ZR1. The value is in the eyes of the owner/beholder.
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10-12-2011, 06:07 PM
#47
Drifting
I see his point. I like taking it into the dealership when i pick up a part or check on my other gm vehicle getting more warranty work. Most times its fun to tell them I had a slight miss and was wondering if they would take a look at it. (stage III cams). The look on their faces when I pop the hood and fire it up it always priceless. 
Its hard to justify the costs per horsepower vs. the modern LS series of motors, but if you want to build a 368, 385, 402, 415, 440 LT5 then by all means go do it. You will certainly be one of the more unique folks at the local car show or drive in. I still love putting the car on a dyno every once in while and listening to people diss the c4, only to see their jaws drop when we don't stop pulling at 6k and continue on to 7200 before shutting her down.
Is the C5 quieter? Does it handle better, are the seats a little more comfortable? Yes to all three. Is a C5 or C6 more of a cookie cutter/dorrito chip when you drive it to shows? You betcha.
Will the LT5 spank 98% of the daily driven stuff on the road most days, in stock form yes, and with a reasonable set of mods you are a contender and you are going to surprise the heck out of most people.
Who the heck cares what a car dealer things about the value? He's typically not the one you are going to sell your zr1 to anyways. Onward to a more meaningful thread I say.
Its hard to justify the costs per horsepower vs. the modern LS series of motors, but if you want to build a 368, 385, 402, 415, 440 LT5 then by all means go do it. You will certainly be one of the more unique folks at the local car show or drive in. I still love putting the car on a dyno every once in while and listening to people diss the c4, only to see their jaws drop when we don't stop pulling at 6k and continue on to 7200 before shutting her down.
Is the C5 quieter? Does it handle better, are the seats a little more comfortable? Yes to all three. Is a C5 or C6 more of a cookie cutter/dorrito chip when you drive it to shows? You betcha.
Will the LT5 spank 98% of the daily driven stuff on the road most days, in stock form yes, and with a reasonable set of mods you are a contender and you are going to surprise the heck out of most people.
Who the heck cares what a car dealer things about the value? He's typically not the one you are going to sell your zr1 to anyways. Onward to a more meaningful thread I say.
Last edited by wdo-mkr; 10-12-2011 at 06:19 PM.
10-12-2011, 06:43 PM
#49
Safety Car
I'm only going to say this once: There is no BAD Corvette.
Comparing the old to the new is stupid in the car world, technology marches on. However, that being said, it is best the new remember and revere the old. Best the young man (C6) learn and respect his father (C5) and grand father. (C4). His day will come too that he will no longer be as quick or as flashy. The old man is experienced and passes that on to the young ones.
Nothing is created in a vacuum C1 paved the way for the C2 and so forth. All Corvettes have been excellent preforming cars for their own times, the LEGEND and MYSTIQUE did not form over night. You roll up in any Corvette it carries with it a reputation. One that the car lives up to, time and time again.
This infighting with generations is dumb, if you don't like a certain year or model or generation of Corvette, how can you call yourself a Corvette lover/enthusiastic??? You can have favorites, but you have to respect the ones that came before and after.
Comparing the old to the new is stupid in the car world, technology marches on. However, that being said, it is best the new remember and revere the old. Best the young man (C6) learn and respect his father (C5) and grand father. (C4). His day will come too that he will no longer be as quick or as flashy. The old man is experienced and passes that on to the young ones.
Nothing is created in a vacuum C1 paved the way for the C2 and so forth. All Corvettes have been excellent preforming cars for their own times, the LEGEND and MYSTIQUE did not form over night. You roll up in any Corvette it carries with it a reputation. One that the car lives up to, time and time again.
This infighting with generations is dumb, if you don't like a certain year or model or generation of Corvette, how can you call yourself a Corvette lover/enthusiastic??? You can have favorites, but you have to respect the ones that came before and after.
10-12-2011, 06:56 PM
#50
Le Mans Master
Here's a modded C6 (Callaway SC) v modded LT5 just last Sunday at the Corvette Challenge.[IMG]
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Not to say I wouldn't love the C6 but if you have worked on the LT5, you know that it takes little effort to unleash another 75hp. No cams, no heads, no sounding like a draining bathtub at idle, just bigger lungs on intake and exhaust sides. And that's from a stock block motor.
Heck who ever thought a V6 would be making 306hp in a Caddy? Technology does march on but you must admire a design that has withstood the test of time and with a bit of massaging holds its own against current hardware.
You also must admire the intrepid band of ZR-istis' that keep the flame ( or is it spark) glowing for this
Corvette From Hell.
[/IMG]Not to say I wouldn't love the C6 but if you have worked on the LT5, you know that it takes little effort to unleash another 75hp. No cams, no heads, no sounding like a draining bathtub at idle, just bigger lungs on intake and exhaust sides. And that's from a stock block motor.
Heck who ever thought a V6 would be making 306hp in a Caddy? Technology does march on but you must admire a design that has withstood the test of time and with a bit of massaging holds its own against current hardware.
You also must admire the intrepid band of ZR-istis' that keep the flame ( or is it spark) glowing for this
Corvette From Hell.
Last edited by Dominic Sorresso; 10-12-2011 at 07:04 PM.
10-12-2011, 07:07 PM
#51
Tech Contributor
Kinda smells like Troll to me
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10-12-2011, 07:31 PM
#53
Tech Contributor
10-12-2011, 07:36 PM
#55
Le Mans Master
Here's a modded C6 (Callaway SC) v modded LT5 just last Sunday at the Corvette Challenge.[IMG][/IMG]
Not to say I wouldn't love the C6 but if you have worked on the LT5, you know that it takes little effort to unleash another 75hp. No cams, no heads, no sounding like a draining bathtub at idle, just bigger lungs on intake and exhaust sides. And that's from a stock block motor.
Heck who ever thought a V6 would be making 306hp in a Caddy? Technology does march on but you must admire a design that has withstood the test of time and with a bit of massaging holds its own against current hardware.
You also must admire the intrepid band of ZR-istis' that keep the flame ( or is it spark) glowing for this
Corvette From Hell.
[/IMG]Not to say I wouldn't love the C6 but if you have worked on the LT5, you know that it takes little effort to unleash another 75hp. No cams, no heads, no sounding like a draining bathtub at idle, just bigger lungs on intake and exhaust sides. And that's from a stock block motor.
Heck who ever thought a V6 would be making 306hp in a Caddy? Technology does march on but you must admire a design that has withstood the test of time and with a bit of massaging holds its own against current hardware.
You also must admire the intrepid band of ZR-istis' that keep the flame ( or is it spark) glowing for this
Corvette From Hell.
10-12-2011, 08:29 PM
#57
10-12-2011, 09:00 PM
#60
Le Mans Master
The LT-5 is naturally aspirated, the Callaway not so much. Both automatics. Both great cars.
A type of VVT technology was in fact being contemplated as a 2Gen LT-5.
A type of VVT technology was in fact being contemplated as a 2Gen LT-5.
Last edited by Dominic Sorresso; 10-12-2011 at 09:02 PM.