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Old 06-22-2018, 07:55 AM
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well I confirmed yesterday that there is water in the number 6 cylinder

I've been losing coolant and the leak is not yet confirmed, but for sure water is getting in the cyl

I pulled the plugs and did the geyser demo and I was surprised how much water came out. probably 4-6 oz

it was enough to hydro lock the car on startup (that is a very sick feeling)

hopefully it's a leak into the intake, but at this point I'm suspecting a head gasket failure

time to pull it apart, no bueno
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Originally Posted by Rkreigh
well I confirmed yesterday that there is water in the number 6 cylinder

I've been losing coolant and the leak is not yet confirmed, but for sure water is getting in the cyl

I pulled the plugs and did the geyser demo and I was surprised how much water came out. probably 4-6 oz

it was enough to hydro lock the car on startup (that is a very sick feeling)

hopefully it's a leak into the intake, but at this point I'm suspecting a head gasket failure

time to pull it apart, no bueno
Boy, sorry to hear Ron. Never a good feeling but hopefully the hydrolock didn't hurt anything. And I hope it is not as bad as you think!--Bob
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Boy, sorry to hear Ron. Never a good feeling but hopefully the hydrolock didn't hurt anything. And I hope it is not as bad as you think!--Bob
Ron,

If it was 2 or 1 I’d suspect injector housing gasket, but 6. Ugh.
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Ron,

If it was 2 or 1 I’d suspect injector housing gasket, but 6. Ugh.
I pulled the plenum to have a look and I think its time to take the engine out. I'm worried about the starter bending a rod. the ti rods I have are made out of unobtanium
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What year was the 390 built and @ how many miles are on that engine ?
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Originally Posted by Rkreigh
I pulled the plenum to have a look and I think its time to take the engine out. I'm worried about the starter bending a rod. the ti rods I have are made out of unobtanium
Look into Marc Haibeck's Cometic MLS Head gaskets. Only way forward Ron. GC
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I experienced a coolant blowout in the ported IH while making a pass on the drag strip. The motor pumped about a half gallon through a couple cylinders in about 15 seconds and got away w/o any damage to the rods. Keep you fingers crossed!
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Originally Posted by FU
What year was the 390 built and @ how many miles are on that engine ?
I think it was built around 1997 when Larry had 12k on the car. I bought it with 38k miles and just turned over 104k miles so about 92k on the stroker.

I have the plenum and injector housings off and most of the front accessories. Lots of wrenching!!

It will be good to get this thing back on the road.

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Originally Posted by Rkreigh
I think it was built around 1997 when Larry had 12k on the car. I bought it with 38k miles and just turned over 104k miles so about 92k on the stroker.

I have the plenum and injector housings off and most of the front accessories. Lots of wrenching!!

It will be good to get this thing back on the road.
Ron if you need some help give me a shout, I should be around this weekend.
Rich
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Ron if you need some help give me a shout, I should be around this weekend.
Rich
I'm headed up to Katie's on Sat morning and will likely pull the engine very soon. got the top end off and getting ready to pull er out.

time for cam timing 101
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Originally Posted by Rkreigh
I'm headed up to Katie's on Sat morning and will likely pull the engine very soon. got the top end off and getting ready to pull er out.

time for cam timing 101
Hoping the issue is minimal. I just did the cam timing on mine. Turned out to not be as daunting as I expected. If you have any mechanical ability it’s really not bad. Just make sure you have the right tools. Makes the job infinitely easier. Cam retainers, a crank locater pin and a tensioner reset tool are invaluable.
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Originally Posted by Rkreigh
I'm headed up to Katie's on Sat morning and will likely pull the engine very soon. got the top end off and getting ready to pull er out.

time for cam timing 101

Here ya go Ronnie: Cam timing 101: insert locating pins. DONE.

Now - onto important matters: get rid of those savage Columbians from your life?
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
Here ya go Ronnie: Cam timing 101: insert locating pins. DONE.

Now - onto important matters: get rid of those savage Columbians from your life?

Hey Doc,

I missed the gathering due to headgasket itus. Hope to have something at least ready for carlisle. for sue I'll be there lord willing.
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
Here ya go Ronnie: Cam timing 101: insert locating pins. DONE.

Now - onto important matters: get rid of those savage Columbians from your life?
While a valid way to conduct the factory cam timing. You can be up to 3 degrees off in either direction if you do it this way. There is that much play in the sprocket pins. My driver side Intake cam was a full 3 degrees off at 117 degrees. With that kind of investment in an a engine. Take your time and do it right. It’s not hard.
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While a valid way to conduct the factory cam timing. You can be up to 3 degrees off in either direction if you do it this way. There is that much play in the sprocket pins. My driver side Intake cam was a full 3 degrees off at 117 degrees. With that kind of investment in an a engine. Take your time and do it right. It’s not hard.
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How much power gain after you repaired the timing on that cam?
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While a valid way to conduct the factory cam timing. You can be up to 3 degrees off in either direction if you do it this way. There is that much play in the sprocket pins. My driver side Intake cam was a full 3 degrees off at 117 degrees. With that kind of investment in an a engine. Take your time and do it right. It’s not hard.
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Also - as you will agree, you still pin the cams if you want to adjust the cam timing slightly at the front of the cam with the sprockets. Without the pins, it is quite difficult to keep the cams from large movements due to the load on the lobes from the lifters. This would be an advanced procedure - not hard for someone with the right tools.
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
How much power gain after you repaired the timing on that cam?
Can’t say. Didn’t do a before and after dyno. Haibeck claims he had a similar offset. He did the dyno and picked up 10hp. He has it documented as well as the entire procedure on his site.

http://www.zr1specialist.com/HAT%20W...0The%20LT5.pdf

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Can’t say. Didn’t do a before and after dyno. Haibeck claims he had a similar offset. He did the dyno and picked up 10hp. He has it documented as well as the entire procedure on his site.

http://www.zr1specialist.com/HAT%20W...0The%20LT5.pdf

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Marc is invaluable - I highly recommend his shop and his work!
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Originally Posted by DDSLT5
Marc is invaluable - I highly recommend his shop and his work!
Btw, I’m with you on the shop manual thing. Some people just want answers. They don’t want to learn, research or invest in tools. They can’t be helped.
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You're right! And that is why we have guys like Marc! In the long run, it's cheaper for the lazy to just pay a 3rd party to do it right the first time.


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