New 427 warhawk for my C5Z!
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Drifting
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New 427 warhawk for my C5Z!
Just want to run this by you folks to see if I am making any mistakes with the selections....
I didn't pick out most of this stuff myself, but just asked a shop to give me a wish list of the top of the line components for a killer build to go along with my STS twin turbo setup.
- Warhawk 427 short World Products WARHAWK
aluminum LS1 block. 9.240" deck height, priority main oiling, billet main caps, 6
bolt holes per cylinder, pt# 086220. Balanced, blueprinted & assembled
shortblock. Parts: Callies Compstar 4340 4.0" stroke crankshaft, Callies 6.125" H-I rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts, Wiseco 4.125" forged turbo duty pistons w/tool steel wrist pins & anti friction coating on skirts, NPR stainless chrome top(for high heat applications)-napier 2nd-3mm oil rings, Clevite MS2199H mains, Clevite CB 663 H rods Dura Bond cam bearings. 9.5:1 cr - WARHAWK LS7X 285cc intake runner complete heads for Hyd. roller, 6 bolt holes per cylinder.Parts: Manley 2.200 intake valves, stainless 1.625" exhaust valves, Manley Nex Tek dual valve springs good to .700" lift, Manley titanium
retainers, Manley machined locks, Manley machined locators, Viton valve seal w/steel jacket. - Competition valve job, lap in valve job, blend in valve job to intake & exhaust ports & chambers, measure chamber volume, mill heads to desired chamber volume,measure & set valve guide to stem clearence, set up springs for specific camshaft.
- Cam Motion Hyd. roller camshaft
- Manley one piece chromoly push rods Roll master double roller timing set w/ torington bearing & nitrided gears. Rocker arms Jesel Pro Series shaft mounted adj. roller rockers 1.8 1.8 ratio 4 Bolt Kit Warhawk accessory kit: Rear cover &
gasket, oil galley & water plugs, valley cover, ARP 6 bolt head studs Head gasket Fel Pro MLS head gaskets for Warhawk block Melling LS Melling 10295 high pressure, coated oil pump/ ported LS Vett Power Bond SFI Corvette 10%
underdrive balancer w/ARP balancer bolt assemble complete longblock ( degree cam, check P to V, install heads, set up valve train) - Ported LS7 intake manifiold
- New water pump.
- FIDANZA OR SPEC TWIN DISC CLUTCH (1300 HP CAPACITY)
- NEW SLAVE CYLINDER
- PFADT POLYEUROTHANE TRANS AXLE BRACE
- DTE TRANS AND DIFF BRACE
- PFADT C5 POLYEUROTHANE ENGINE MOUNTS
- BUILT 342 DIFFERENTIAL 300M HARDENED OUTPUT SHAFT AND BEEFED UP CLUTCH PACK
- REAR ALUMINUM DRIVE SHAFT COUPLER
- AEROMOTIVE FUEL SYSTEM (1000 HP CAPACITY) INCLUDES BILLET FUEL RAILS AND STEEL BRAIDED FUEL LINES W/AIRCRAFT FITTINGS AND PRESSURE REGULATOR.
- NEW FUEL INJECTORS
- Thicker Tunnel plate
- Pfadt carbon fiber driveshaft
- Beefed up transmission - Level 5
I didn't pick out most of this stuff myself, but just asked a shop to give me a wish list of the top of the line components for a killer build to go along with my STS twin turbo setup.
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Melting Slicks
Just want to run this by you folks to see if I am making any mistakes with the selections....
[list][*]WARHAWK LS7X 285cc intake runner complete heads for Hyd. roller, 6 bolt holes per cylinder.Parts: Manley 2.200 intake valves, stainless 1.625" exhaust valves, Manley Nex Tek dual valve springs good to .700" lift, Manley titanium
retainers, Manley machined locks, Manley machined locators, Viton valve seal w/steel jacket.[*]Competition valve job, lap in valve job, blend in valve job to intake & exhaust ports & chambers, measure chamber volume, mill heads to desired chamber volume,measure & set valve guide to stem clearence, set up springs for specific camshaft.
[list][*]WARHAWK LS7X 285cc intake runner complete heads for Hyd. roller, 6 bolt holes per cylinder.Parts: Manley 2.200 intake valves, stainless 1.625" exhaust valves, Manley Nex Tek dual valve springs good to .700" lift, Manley titanium
retainers, Manley machined locks, Manley machined locators, Viton valve seal w/steel jacket.[*]Competition valve job, lap in valve job, blend in valve job to intake & exhaust ports & chambers, measure chamber volume, mill heads to desired chamber volume,measure & set valve guide to stem clearence, set up springs for specific camshaft.
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Actually I like the STS setup. Better weight distribution then putting all the hardware under the hood, plus it gets all that heat out of there. Different strokes, fellas, and this is the stroke I wanted with FI. When I look at an underhood turbo setup, it looks like some drunk plumber's nightmare..... Thanks, but NO thanks.
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Actually, I am going to have this built unless I hear of an overriding reason why I shouldn't. It mainly started out being just a yearn to have a 427 engine in my vette, and then got away from me. Sold off much of my gun collection and had some money to spend. Was looking to buy a 2009 Z06 (that 427 thing again), but the dealers were apparently intent on going down with the ship. So I decided to put the money into my 2002 Z06 instead.
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Intake flows WAYY more than the exhaust. Makes getting the correct cam profile difficult. I wouldnt use those heads.
Have you ever driven in an STS car and a front mount/TTI car?
I'm guessing you havent...
FYI, the TTI x kit is hidden. Not much to see when you open the hood. Almost looks stock except for the intercooler.
You should give Nick/George a call at TTi 253.475.8319
Using that setup with a STS is a waste IMHO. Unless its TOTALLY custom. And if the car is a manual, well..
Have you ever driven in an STS car and a front mount/TTI car?
I'm guessing you havent...
FYI, the TTI x kit is hidden. Not much to see when you open the hood. Almost looks stock except for the intercooler.
You should give Nick/George a call at TTi 253.475.8319
Using that setup with a STS is a waste IMHO. Unless its TOTALLY custom. And if the car is a manual, well..
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Intake flows WAYY more than the exhaust. Makes getting the correct cam profile difficult. I wouldnt use those heads.
Have you ever driven in an STS car and a front mount/TTI car?
I'm guessing you havent...
FYI, the TTI x kit is hidden. Not much to see when you open the hood. Almost looks stock except for the intercooler.
You should give Nick/George a call at TTi 253.475.8319
Using that setup with a STS is a waste IMHO. Unless its TOTALLY custom. And if the car is a manual, well..
Have you ever driven in an STS car and a front mount/TTI car?
I'm guessing you havent...
FYI, the TTI x kit is hidden. Not much to see when you open the hood. Almost looks stock except for the intercooler.
You should give Nick/George a call at TTi 253.475.8319
Using that setup with a STS is a waste IMHO. Unless its TOTALLY custom. And if the car is a manual, well..
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Actually, I'm perfectly happy with the STS system, thank you very much. It provides an acceptable balance between the pros and cons of any add-on power adder I considered.
As for the claim about the Warhawk heads:
I have been unable to find anything on the web that supports the negative implications that statement makes. Every head I have looked at flows way more on the intake then on the exhaust. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out just looking at the diameter of the intake and exhaust valves. So apparently this is a completely acceptable design. So if you wouldn't use heads that flow more air in the intake then the exhaust, then just what heads DO you use?
So does anyone have any credible references about this "issue"? Quite frankly, all of my research came up with all positive reviews. Now there were some issues with World Products in the past, but all the later reviews seem to indicate that these were PAST issues.
As for the claim about the Warhawk heads:
Intake flows WAYY more than the exhaust. Makes getting the correct cam profile difficult. I wouldnt use those heads.
So does anyone have any credible references about this "issue"? Quite frankly, all of my research came up with all positive reviews. Now there were some issues with World Products in the past, but all the later reviews seem to indicate that these were PAST issues.
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Actually, I'm perfectly happy with the STS system, thank you very much. It provides an acceptable balance between the pros and cons of any add-on power adder I considered.
As for the claim about the Warhawk heads:
I have been unable to find anything on the web that supports the negative implications that statement makes. Every head I have looked at flows way more on the intake then on the exhaust. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out just looking at the diameter of the intake and exhaust valves. So apparently this is a completely acceptable design. So if you wouldn't use heads that flow more air in the intake then the exhaust, then just what heads DO you use?
So does anyone have any credible references about this "issue"? Quite frankly, all of my research came up with all positive reviews. Now there were some issues with World Products in the past, but all the later reviews seem to indicate that these were PAST issues.
As for the claim about the Warhawk heads:
I have been unable to find anything on the web that supports the negative implications that statement makes. Every head I have looked at flows way more on the intake then on the exhaust. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out just looking at the diameter of the intake and exhaust valves. So apparently this is a completely acceptable design. So if you wouldn't use heads that flow more air in the intake then the exhaust, then just what heads DO you use?
So does anyone have any credible references about this "issue"? Quite frankly, all of my research came up with all positive reviews. Now there were some issues with World Products in the past, but all the later reviews seem to indicate that these were PAST issues.
I'm no engine builder but OBVIOUSLY the intake is going to flow more than the exhaust. The problem is that it flows WAYY more.
Thank you for letting me know that intake valves are larger than exhaust valves
Do some more research. It took me 5 minutes of googling to locate the info.
Or, instead of asking opinions, just do what you want.
PM me when your build is done, if ever, I'll be more than happy to line up next to you
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Actually I like the STS setup. Better weight distribution then putting all the hardware under the hood, plus it gets all that heat out of there. Different strokes, fellas, and this is the stroke I wanted with FI. When I look at an underhood turbo setup, it looks like some drunk plumber's nightmare..... Thanks, but NO thanks.
If you're comparing a front mount turbo to a plumber, then the STS setup is like a plumber's crack because it's hanging out in the rear of the car like a plumber with some droopy drawers!
As far as the heads go, why don't you talk to some of our vendors here because they have some SICK powerful cars and might have more insight on parts because they deal with them more than most of us do?
Good Luck and either way, it should be BEAST when it's done!
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You have a very intesting personality. You ask for opinions but then get upset when people disagree with you?
I'm no engine builder but OBVIOUSLY the intake is going to flow more than the exhaust. The problem is that it flows WAYY more.
Thank you for letting me know that intake valves are larger than exhaust valves
Do some more research. It took me 5 minutes of googling to locate the info.
Or, instead of asking opinions, just do what you want.
PM me when your build is done, if ever, I'll be more than happy to line up next to you
I'm no engine builder but OBVIOUSLY the intake is going to flow more than the exhaust. The problem is that it flows WAYY more.
Thank you for letting me know that intake valves are larger than exhaust valves
Do some more research. It took me 5 minutes of googling to locate the info.
Or, instead of asking opinions, just do what you want.
PM me when your build is done, if ever, I'll be more than happy to line up next to you
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You have a very intesting personality. You ask for opinions but then get upset when people disagree with you?
I'm no engine builder but OBVIOUSLY the intake is going to flow more than the exhaust. The problem is that it flows WAYY more.
Thank you for letting me know that intake valves are larger than exhaust valves
Do some more research. It took me 5 minutes of googling to locate the info.
Or, instead of asking opinions, just do what you want.
PM me when your build is done, if ever, I'll be more than happy to line up next to you
I'm no engine builder but OBVIOUSLY the intake is going to flow more than the exhaust. The problem is that it flows WAYY more.
Thank you for letting me know that intake valves are larger than exhaust valves
Do some more research. It took me 5 minutes of googling to locate the info.
Or, instead of asking opinions, just do what you want.
PM me when your build is done, if ever, I'll be more than happy to line up next to you
Nope, I'm not upset at all. You are making claims that as far as I can tell are completely unsupported by credible evidence. I had hoped someone with some credible references would review the specs I listed on my new drivetrain and give me some feedback. Obviously you are unable to supply those credible references via links or you would have done so.
For instance, why would a head flowing WAY more air than the exhaust be a BIG problem like you infer?
Actually that build in the first post of this thread is one recommended to my by a builder, and I am checking up on his choices. So far I haven't heard anything credible to dispute those choices except some nebulous unsupportable claims about air flow differences between intake and exhaust.
And yes, this build WILL be done. Care to wager any REAL money on that?