Lessons in timing chains and one with no equal
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Lessons in timing chains and one with no equal
Elite Chain Drive
Often times when people think of the load put on their timing chain, they think of the load exceeding the tensile strength of the chain. In reality, what’s actually occurring is a series of abrupt starting and stopping, accelerating and decelerating of the crank and camshaft at different frequencies. In other words, if you were able to measure the load placed on the timing chain, you wouldn’t see a constant tension load, rather a series of shock loads. Shock loads are what destroys things. Many things determine the shock loads placed on your timing chain. These things include the ramp rates of the camshaft, the spring tension, engine RPM and the stability of the valve train overall and lastly, any kind of rev limiting electronics. The timing chain has no real ability to absorb shock and trying to design one that does is a bad idea because it will affect the accuracy of your valve timing. The stock timing chain was designed for the stock camshaft and springs. Part of the recipe for increased performance includes a larger camshaft with more aggressive ramps as well as increased spring pressures. While you may get away with using the stock timing chain, it doesn’t make it a good idea. Double row timing chains use smaller links with smaller pins, offering no real advantage. For many years, the C5R chain has been the gold standard in timing chains.
Now at the conclusion of much research and development, I bring you the Elite Chain Drive, bigger, better and stronger than anything offered before. The heavy duty pins are much larger than their counterparts. Not only that, but they’re cold formed and loaded with chromium to keep their strength at the highest point. The links are equally robust.
The drive gears are American made from 1141 billet steel. They are machined, vibratory polished, heat treated, vibratory polished again, manganese phosphate treated and then stamp marked.
Instead of black oxide coating the gears, which serves no purpose, we chose to coat them in manganese phosphate. If you take the time to read about this process, you’ll soon discover that it goes above and beyond providing excellent corrosion resistance (which is all that black oxide coating provides). It, in fact, provides friction resistance and offers anti-galling advantages.
The chain is made by a very well known, respected chain manufacturer, Rolon. It's made to our specifications with hardened and tempered chromized steel links and pins and oversized cold rolled pins
The first picture below shows a C5R chain, a C7R chain and then the Elite Drive Chain on the bottom. The second picture shows you the oiling hole in the rollers, designed to help keep the pins cool and lubricated.
I’ve met so many people focus on every other part on their build and then neglect a part that can bring the entire house down, the chain. Don’t be that guy.
The chain is only offered complete with the gear set for now. The drive gear has 2,4 and 6° advance and 2,4° retard positions.
Pricing for the LS1/6 chains has gone down to 245 shipped to the lower 48
LS2 1X cam gear 259.00 shipped to the lower 48
LS3 wet sump 209.00 289
LS9 LS7, LS3 dry sump (excluding LS9) 299.00
Now offering the chain only. for 169.00 shipped to the lower 48. It fits the stock gears.
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Credit cards, cash and PayPal, Venmo, Cash App and Zelle accepted.
For credit card payments, I use Paypal and will require your email address to send an invoice. I ship to the PayPal confirmed address.
PayPal to: BlownBlueZ06@gmail.com
when ordering, please specify which kit you need.
Call or text me: (Text is best) 972-741-7457
Often times when people think of the load put on their timing chain, they think of the load exceeding the tensile strength of the chain. In reality, what’s actually occurring is a series of abrupt starting and stopping, accelerating and decelerating of the crank and camshaft at different frequencies. In other words, if you were able to measure the load placed on the timing chain, you wouldn’t see a constant tension load, rather a series of shock loads. Shock loads are what destroys things. Many things determine the shock loads placed on your timing chain. These things include the ramp rates of the camshaft, the spring tension, engine RPM and the stability of the valve train overall and lastly, any kind of rev limiting electronics. The timing chain has no real ability to absorb shock and trying to design one that does is a bad idea because it will affect the accuracy of your valve timing. The stock timing chain was designed for the stock camshaft and springs. Part of the recipe for increased performance includes a larger camshaft with more aggressive ramps as well as increased spring pressures. While you may get away with using the stock timing chain, it doesn’t make it a good idea. Double row timing chains use smaller links with smaller pins, offering no real advantage. For many years, the C5R chain has been the gold standard in timing chains.
Now at the conclusion of much research and development, I bring you the Elite Chain Drive, bigger, better and stronger than anything offered before. The heavy duty pins are much larger than their counterparts. Not only that, but they’re cold formed and loaded with chromium to keep their strength at the highest point. The links are equally robust.
The drive gears are American made from 1141 billet steel. They are machined, vibratory polished, heat treated, vibratory polished again, manganese phosphate treated and then stamp marked.
Instead of black oxide coating the gears, which serves no purpose, we chose to coat them in manganese phosphate. If you take the time to read about this process, you’ll soon discover that it goes above and beyond providing excellent corrosion resistance (which is all that black oxide coating provides). It, in fact, provides friction resistance and offers anti-galling advantages.
The chain is made by a very well known, respected chain manufacturer, Rolon. It's made to our specifications with hardened and tempered chromized steel links and pins and oversized cold rolled pins
The first picture below shows a C5R chain, a C7R chain and then the Elite Drive Chain on the bottom. The second picture shows you the oiling hole in the rollers, designed to help keep the pins cool and lubricated.
I’ve met so many people focus on every other part on their build and then neglect a part that can bring the entire house down, the chain. Don’t be that guy.
The chain is only offered complete with the gear set for now. The drive gear has 2,4 and 6° advance and 2,4° retard positions.
Pricing for the LS1/6 chains has gone down to 245 shipped to the lower 48
LS2 1X cam gear 259.00 shipped to the lower 48
LS3 wet sump 209.00 289
LS9 LS7, LS3 dry sump (excluding LS9) 299.00
Now offering the chain only. for 169.00 shipped to the lower 48. It fits the stock gears.
Texas Residents Add 7.75% sales tax
Credit cards, cash and PayPal, Venmo, Cash App and Zelle accepted.
For credit card payments, I use Paypal and will require your email address to send an invoice. I ship to the PayPal confirmed address.
PayPal to: BlownBlueZ06@gmail.com
when ordering, please specify which kit you need.
Call or text me: (Text is best) 972-741-7457
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Installed mine today. Fits great with a Trick Flow chain dampener. I didn't take any pictures of the double roller I removed, but this chain has less slack. I like the oiling holes in the rollers of the chain (and its weight reduction!!). Also, the drive gear fit tighter on the crank than the drive on the set I removed. Thanks for a great product Bret!
(I just used those bolts to hold the cam gear in place. ARP bolts were permanently installed after the initial fitment.)
(I just used those bolts to hold the cam gear in place. ARP bolts were permanently installed after the initial fitment.)
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I've installed one of these on an engine I'm building. I can say from now on this timing set will go on any LS engine that I build for myself or anyone else from here on out.
Thanks for a great product blownbluez06@RKTPerformance
Thanks for a great product blownbluez06@RKTPerformance
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Not a bad idea, thanks for looking out.
After final assembly I heard some rattle and thought my chain was shot. But I borrowed a new one local and it sounds the same, so I figure it's ok. I pulled my motor to fix a rod knocking, it had a bearing going out.
Thanks man I'm going to leave it be for this 347, and save up for a 427 LSx.
After final assembly I heard some rattle and thought my chain was shot. But I borrowed a new one local and it sounds the same, so I figure it's ok. I pulled my motor to fix a rod knocking, it had a bearing going out.
Thanks man I'm going to leave it be for this 347, and save up for a 427 LSx.
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I have always run the Katech C5R chain.... May get with you Bret as I am going back to the drawing board w my Z....
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BTW I will be picking up a chain soon
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Installed mine today. Fits great with a Trick Flow chain dampener. I didn't take any pictures of the double roller I removed, but this chain has less slack. I like the oiling holes in the rollers of the chain (and its weight reduction!!). Also, the drive gear fit tighter on the crank than the drive on the set I removed. Thanks for a great product Bret!
(I just used those bolts to hold the cam gear in place. ARP bolts were permanently installed after the initial fitment.)
(I just used those bolts to hold the cam gear in place. ARP bolts were permanently installed after the initial fitment.)