ls3 or lsx for boost
07-08-2018, 12:36 AM
#1
ls3 or lsx for boost
I have the opportunity to purchase a new engine, for ProCharger should I go stroker ls3 418 or lsx 510 iron block ?
this is for rolling racing not from the dig
this is for rolling racing not from the dig
07-08-2018, 09:37 AM
#4
Melting Slicks
I vote lsx
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typeav (07-08-2018)
07-08-2018, 11:11 AM
#5
Melting Slicks
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FourG63 97GST (07-08-2018)
07-09-2018, 11:32 PM
#6
Former Vendor
The LSx is more suited for boost. The obvious thing is it’s a quality cast iron block, it has a thicker deck, 6 Bolt Head pattern and billet steel caps and longer cylinders but one thing a lot of people overlook is the block is it’s a priority main block.
On that note I’d put darts LS Next SHP Pro or even their skirtless iron LS Next up against the GMPP LSx any day of the week.
On that note I’d put darts LS Next SHP Pro or even their skirtless iron LS Next up against the GMPP LSx any day of the week.
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typeav (07-10-2018)
07-10-2018, 05:12 AM
#7
Melting Slicks
The LSx is more suited for boost. The obvious thing is it’s a quality cast iron block, it has a thicker deck, 6 Bolt Head pattern and billet steel caps and longer cylinders but one thing a lot of people overlook is the block is it’s a priority main block.
On that note I’d put darts LS Next SHP Pro or even their skirtless iron LS Next up against the GMPP LSx any day of the week.
On that note I’d put darts LS Next SHP Pro or even their skirtless iron LS Next up against the GMPP LSx any day of the week.
Smaller capacity yes...510, no.
07-10-2018, 10:08 AM
#8
I need the engine to put down N/A 600 or 700 rwhp but capable to support 1100 hp as I want to add with boost another 300 rwhp and that will make it in the 900-1000 rwhp
I want reliability thats why I prefer to spent extra in getting the best parts possible
I want reliability thats why I prefer to spent extra in getting the best parts possible
07-10-2018, 10:56 AM
#9
Melting Slicks
Really, for only 1000hp, pretty much any alloy factory block will be fine. If you wanted strongest factory option...go LS9.
But a well built LS3 will be perfectly fine and without the weight penalty of the iron LSX
But a well built LS3 will be perfectly fine and without the weight penalty of the iron LSX
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CorvetteBrent (08-09-2018)
07-10-2018, 05:45 PM
#10
Melting Slicks
I just have to say its a crazy hp world we live in now. 10+ years ago that would have been a crazy sentence
07-10-2018, 05:56 PM
#11
Melting Slicks
But today it is almost the norm ! and let's face it, very easy to achieve.
Perhaps more crazy that even in the 4cyl world, there are many in that area too.
07-10-2018, 06:10 PM
#12
Melting Slicks
Makes you wonder what the norm will be in another 10 years! 1500rwhp? 2000?
07-10-2018, 06:32 PM
#13
Melting Slicks
But on a price point it's relatively easy to achieve for a lot of people. Prices of stuff has just fallen.
In 10 years time ? Costs, stupid rules or legislation, tree hugging hippy hypocrite ***** might make some stuff more difficult. So best enjoy what we have while we can !
07-10-2018, 06:42 PM
#14
Melting Slicks
In practical terms 1000hp is pushing usability for a road car...especially a 2wd one
But on a price point it's relatively easy to achieve for a lot of people. Prices of stuff has just fallen.
In 10 years time ? Costs, stupid rules or legislation, tree hugging hippy hypocrite ***** might make some stuff more difficult. So best enjoy what we have while we can !
But on a price point it's relatively easy to achieve for a lot of people. Prices of stuff has just fallen.
In 10 years time ? Costs, stupid rules or legislation, tree hugging hippy hypocrite ***** might make some stuff more difficult. So best enjoy what we have while we can !
I do believe that in 15 years we'll all be upping voltage and amps instead of fuel/boost! 1500+AWD instant TQ/HP should be a lot of fun!
07-10-2018, 06:48 PM
#15
Melting Slicks
In performance terms, there is a lot to be said for electric.
Of course they sound *****, they have no soul, they're heavy, they've no practical range etc etc But if it was purely a race car to go fast, a lot of those things would be irrelevant.
In some respects an electric drag car would have a lot of potential given the nature of the racing.
For a usable fast road car....they've still a hell of a long way to go. And no, Tesla arent even close for anyone unless they do low mileage. They do tick a lot of boxes...but they've still a long way to go.
The bottom line is batteries are just ****.
Of course they sound *****, they have no soul, they're heavy, they've no practical range etc etc But if it was purely a race car to go fast, a lot of those things would be irrelevant.
In some respects an electric drag car would have a lot of potential given the nature of the racing.
For a usable fast road car....they've still a hell of a long way to go. And no, Tesla arent even close for anyone unless they do low mileage. They do tick a lot of boxes...but they've still a long way to go.
The bottom line is batteries are just ****.
07-10-2018, 06:54 PM
#16
Melting Slicks
In performance terms, there is a lot to be said for electric.
Of course they sound *****, they have no soul, they're heavy, they've no practical range etc etc But if it was purely a race car to go fast, a lot of those things would be irrelevant.
In some respects an electric drag car would have a lot of potential given the nature of the racing.
For a usable fast road car....they've still a hell of a long way to go. And no, Tesla arent even close for anyone unless they do low mileage. They do tick a lot of boxes...but they've still a long way to go.
The bottom line is batteries are just ****.
Of course they sound *****, they have no soul, they're heavy, they've no practical range etc etc But if it was purely a race car to go fast, a lot of those things would be irrelevant.
In some respects an electric drag car would have a lot of potential given the nature of the racing.
For a usable fast road car....they've still a hell of a long way to go. And no, Tesla arent even close for anyone unless they do low mileage. They do tick a lot of boxes...but they've still a long way to go.
The bottom line is batteries are just ****.
and yes, they sound like poop
07-10-2018, 07:11 PM
#17
Melting Slicks
If they can nail batteries, long life, faster re-charge, then electric vehicles really are the future. There's good and bad with that....hopefully they just allow them to become mainstream without trying to restrict our gasoline engines and let us enjoy our cars.
I'd love an electric vehicle for work myself, but until they can do 400+ on a single charge...AND recharge quickly there's not a chance it'd be any use to me. But when 80% of fuel prices here are tax to the government, anything that would stop my money going to them greedy ***** when I buy fuel could only be a good thing !
There's an electric VW Beetle that races at Santa Pod in England. And it's super fast and super consistent for what it is. Can't think of too many others though
Slightly off topic I know, but it is cool.
I'd love an electric vehicle for work myself, but until they can do 400+ on a single charge...AND recharge quickly there's not a chance it'd be any use to me. But when 80% of fuel prices here are tax to the government, anything that would stop my money going to them greedy ***** when I buy fuel could only be a good thing !
There's an electric VW Beetle that races at Santa Pod in England. And it's super fast and super consistent for what it is. Can't think of too many others though
Slightly off topic I know, but it is cool.
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ForceFedC5 (07-10-2018)
07-10-2018, 10:34 PM
#18
For the cost of a new LS3 stroker I think the workshop can rebuilt my current LS1 and make it stroker 383, that will save me half the cost and I can go with smaller pulley and make up the difference.
My current LS1 with 4.25" pulley the car is making 636 rwhp on Mustang Dyno that means that if I go with a 3.4" I can get maybe another 200 rwhp
what you guys think ?
My current LS1 with 4.25" pulley the car is making 636 rwhp on Mustang Dyno that means that if I go with a 3.4" I can get maybe another 200 rwhp
what you guys think ?
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CorvetteBrent (08-09-2018)
07-10-2018, 11:28 PM
#20
Melting Slicks
LSX at more or less the same bore/stroke will give you more wiggle room, especially with the 6 bolt heads. If the weight penalty (extra 180lbs) bothers you, an aluminum aftermarket block is an option. Either Dart or LSR. It really depends on your budget
Last edited by ForceFedC5; 07-10-2018 at 11:28 PM.
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