Alcohol Injection...
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Alcohol Injection...
Who sells a good alky injection kit, and how much... considering getting one for summer my town gets to 120 in the summer, car hates stoplights, sometimes 10-15 min w/o moving hig coolant temps. will alky work... nitrous too.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
http://www.alkycontrol.com has a nice kit which I'm in the process of installing..
Give Julio a call and he'll hook you up..
Give Julio a call and he'll hook you up..
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
Alky is for when you go WOT and want to run an agressive timing curve. In that traffic you won't be going anywhere fast, just set up the IAT map to take out a ton of timing over 120 degrees.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (Terry Burger)
What are the pro's and con's on having this system? Has anyone really done a great working system on a C5? I am going with a twin turbo soon and want to know if I should go this way or focus on a fuel booster.
Thanks
Gary
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Gary
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (Z06GMAN)
It's main benefit is cooling down the charge and control detonation. Depending on the mix it can increase octane.. It does these things so well that most are able to push the boost to a higher limit. Using the wiper tank it'll outlast a tank of gas.
I like it cause it's used when it's needed and always available.. meaning, if you add an octane booster to your tank and aren't really driving the car hard.. than it's wasted.
someone else can cover the cons..
I like it cause it's used when it's needed and always available.. meaning, if you add an octane booster to your tank and aren't really driving the car hard.. than it's wasted.
someone else can cover the cons..
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (magdc5)
ok i checked out the site, but wich one do i buy, and what controller do i need, i'll be running a 180 shot nitrous via direct port, any suggestions.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
Give them a call and tell them what you want to do with your car, and the system you have, and they'll set you up.
Gary: I had alky/H20 injection on an old GN that I had, and it didn't get me much more power, but it let me get a little more radical with the chip (I know, that's old school stuff, but the car did run 11.02's, so something was working right
). The alcohol increases the octane of the of the gasoline (it has to do with the burn rate of the alky, but I'll skip the science class) so that it is less likely to allow detonation.
If you have boost controller, and have multiple settings on it, set the higher boost setting to turn on the alky controller with a boost switch. This will save you from filling your tank all of the time, and only use the alcohol when it's needed. You can also put a light somewhere in your dash that goes on when the tank is getting low on fluid. I hope that this helps. Take Care!
By the way, it's a WHOLE bunch cheaper than running race gas all of the time
!
[Modified by LuvmyC5, 12:02 PM 6/11/2004]
Gary: I had alky/H20 injection on an old GN that I had, and it didn't get me much more power, but it let me get a little more radical with the chip (I know, that's old school stuff, but the car did run 11.02's, so something was working right
). The alcohol increases the octane of the of the gasoline (it has to do with the burn rate of the alky, but I'll skip the science class) so that it is less likely to allow detonation. If you have boost controller, and have multiple settings on it, set the higher boost setting to turn on the alky controller with a boost switch. This will save you from filling your tank all of the time, and only use the alcohol when it's needed. You can also put a light somewhere in your dash that goes on when the tank is getting low on fluid. I hope that this helps. Take Care!
By the way, it's a WHOLE bunch cheaper than running race gas all of the time
!
[Modified by LuvmyC5, 12:02 PM 6/11/2004]
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
since I have no experience w/ nitrous it would be best to contact Julio and talk a while.. I guess the general rule is to have it spray just before you get knock or close to it.
I'm going with the PAC (progressive alky controller) and depending on where you mount the pump and which tank you use Julio will customze it for you. The IAT on the magnacharger is high all the time because it sits on the intake manifold. I'm going to have it kick-in when accelerating harder than normal which still saves the alcohol and since it increases spray w/ more boost it should cool things nicely to wot.
I'm going with the PAC (progressive alky controller) and depending on where you mount the pump and which tank you use Julio will customze it for you. The IAT on the magnacharger is high all the time because it sits on the intake manifold. I'm going to have it kick-in when accelerating harder than normal which still saves the alcohol and since it increases spray w/ more boost it should cool things nicely to wot.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
ok i checked out the site, but wich one do i buy, and what controller do i need, i'll be running a 180 shot nitrous via direct port, any suggestions.
I don't think the typical FI alky setup would work all that well with n20. It is worth looking into, but you should try to find somone doing it with success before you invest in a system.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (QuickSilver2002)
i want to maximize mi No2 use, for every 50 shot you have to pull 2 degrees of timeing, so i figure if i use alky then i don't have to pull timeing cause it will control knock and detonation is that correct or am i totally off.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
Personally I think Alky injection is a band aid for not enough octane. If you're rebuilding the motor soon, spray away and pray. Personally, I have 4 or 5 friends lose their motor because of running out of Alcohol, pump failures, alcohol sitting in reservoir too long, etc. If you're going to use, I'd highly recommend just running it to cool down the intake temps and nothing else. If you're going to use it to compensate for too much boost, too much timing, or too little octane, I wish you the best of luck. You're trusting your entire motor to a windshied washer pump never designed to spray that often. If it was me, the only system even worth considering is an Aquamist.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (F1RZ06)
You're trusting your entire motor to a windshied washer pump never designed to spray that often. If it was me, the only system even worth considering is an Aquamist.
I'm trying not to flame, but these types of posts are getting out of hand on all the forums. No hands on knowledge, but willing to throw out the "I wish you the best of luck" and "I have 4 or 5 friends"comments.
You are entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect that. I just hate to see people get scared away by someone who has no direct experience.
I guess we are all guilty of it to some extent.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (QuickSilver2002)
...I'm trying not to flame, but these types of posts are getting out of hand on all the forums. No hands on knowledge, but willing to throw out the "I wish you the best of luck" and "I have 4 or 5 friends"comments.
You are entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect that. I just hate to see people get scared away by someone who has no direct experience.
You are entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect that. I just hate to see people get scared away by someone who has no direct experience.
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (dads01dream)
I'll be sure to post all the info I can as soon as I have dyno #'s to confirm things.
Because I'm playin with a magnacharger I won't be able to fully realize the all-out-boost that alky could quench/control but, I think the cooling, additional octane put against a 3.0 pulley should provide some interesting reading.
I'm on vacation right now and haven't had a chance to get the PAC installed but on a single stage spraying at the 3psi.. IAT's have dropped to 95 and stayed there. And since I haven't had time to play with nozzles it can even get better. At lights it'll still get to 140 plus degrees but as soon as I want to play, the IAT just drops.. I like it..
Because I'm playin with a magnacharger I won't be able to fully realize the all-out-boost that alky could quench/control but, I think the cooling, additional octane put against a 3.0 pulley should provide some interesting reading.
I'm on vacation right now and haven't had a chance to get the PAC installed but on a single stage spraying at the 3psi.. IAT's have dropped to 95 and stayed there. And since I haven't had time to play with nozzles it can even get better. At lights it'll still get to 140 plus degrees but as soon as I want to play, the IAT just drops.. I like it..
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (F1RZ06)
Personally I think Alky injection is a band aid for not enough octane. If you're rebuilding the motor soon, spray away and pray. Personally, I have 4 or 5 friends lose their motor because of running out of Alcohol, pump failures, alcohol sitting in reservoir too long, etc. If you're going to use, I'd highly recommend just running it to cool down the intake temps and nothing else. If you're going to use it to compensate for too much boost, too much timing, or too little octane, I wish you the best of luck. You're trusting your entire motor to a windshied washer pump never designed to spray that often. If it was me, the only system even worth considering is an Aquamist.
see: http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/...eous/GI-01.pdf
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Re: Alcohol Injection... (19_with_blk_coupe)
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...I'm trying not to flame, but these types of posts are getting out of hand on all the forums. No hands on knowledge, but willing to throw out the "I wish you the best of luck" and "I have 4 or 5 friends"comments.
You are entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect that. I just hate to see people get scared away by someone who has no direct experience.
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It is a good thing that there are people out there willing to tinker and try new things, this benefits us all. The best part of being human is that we go out and do the best we can, and then we have the unique ability to share that information. This is what separates us from all other species on this earth.
We learn form others experiences! Go for it and let us know how everything works out!
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...I'm trying not to flame, but these types of posts are getting out of hand on all the forums. No hands on knowledge, but willing to throw out the "I wish you the best of luck" and "I have 4 or 5 friends"comments.
You are entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect that. I just hate to see people get scared away by someone who has no direct experience.
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It is a good thing that there are people out there willing to tinker and try new things, this benefits us all. The best part of being human is that we go out and do the best we can, and then we have the unique ability to share that information. This is what separates us from all other species on this earth.
We learn form others experiences! Go for it and let us know how everything works out!
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