PTK TT update
Le Mans Master
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From: Clouds Over California
Originally Posted by nfshotrod
Hey Kevin I need to talk to you about something. Please call me @ 513-571-3966. Thanks Ryan
Where have you been...I like this thread because it brings out people that aren't around as much, or who at least are giving that appearance.
I will call you tomorrow Ryan.
Hi Bill.
Drifting
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From: Albuquerque NM
Kevin,
I thought you had a 383? Or am I thinking of someone else? Didn't you also have a 224 cam?
I'm watching your build especially since it is in the power level and very similar setup to mine.
I thought you had a 383? Or am I thinking of someone else? Didn't you also have a 224 cam?
I'm watching your build especially since it is in the power level and very similar setup to mine.
Le Mans Master
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From: Clouds Over California
Originally Posted by flynbludream
Kevin,
I thought you had a 383? Or am I thinking of someone else? Didn't you also have a 224 cam?
I'm watching your build especially since it is in the power level and very similar setup to mine.
I thought you had a 383? Or am I thinking of someone else? Didn't you also have a 224 cam?
I'm watching your build especially since it is in the power level and very similar setup to mine.
Le Mans Master
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From: Clouds Over California
The PT52 turbos came in last Thursday. Mike (Xtreme) does the tuning and is racing NHRA the weekends in March. I think they plan on getting her back on the rollers this coming Tuesday. I am happy with the numbers on 91 octane and 9lbs, it will be interesting to see what the 13-14lbs boost range yields on higher octane. I am hoping max boost will be reached between 3200-3500rpms...what do you think about the PT52s Phil???
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
Do you really want to know what I think?
In a nutshell? Atleast your in the zipcode now. Depending how its been speced out might even be close
.
I have not seen specific compressor or exhaust maps on that turbo as PTE seems people must not want them.
I do know the compressor side specs like a T04e-60trim. Which is pretty close but the effeciency and displacemet of the LS1 pushes is out of the sweet spot quickly but not horrible. The exhaust side, thats a wild card. My guess based on the long header run and the typical exhaust wheel from that family (t4 version) is that it will be soft. But thats not a bad thing. There are a lot of different wheel/housing combinations on top of how it reponds ti difference in exhaust systems feeding it.
But, its much closer and something that would be a great point to learn from.
Maybe Jose can provide a map for the 52? The 51 is a T04E-60trim wheel and the 52 is a slightly larger wheel.
Phil
In a nutshell? Atleast your in the zipcode now. Depending how its been speced out might even be close
.I have not seen specific compressor or exhaust maps on that turbo as PTE seems people must not want them
.I do know the compressor side specs like a T04e-60trim. Which is pretty close but the effeciency and displacemet of the LS1 pushes is out of the sweet spot quickly but not horrible. The exhaust side, thats a wild card. My guess based on the long header run and the typical exhaust wheel from that family (t4 version) is that it will be soft. But thats not a bad thing. There are a lot of different wheel/housing combinations on top of how it reponds ti difference in exhaust systems feeding it.
But, its much closer and something that would be a great point to learn from.
Maybe Jose can provide a map for the 52? The 51 is a T04E-60trim wheel and the 52 is a slightly larger wheel.
Phil
Last edited by RoadRebel; Mar 5, 2005 at 09:09 PM.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
The te-44 on paper are in the same range as the pt 51/52.
The te44 has the same compressor wheel at the pt51 and may have the same issue with operating out of the sweet spot. But, changes in the cover etc will change the map.
I do suspect that if you got the t31 frame (t3 based) that it will spool pretty well, potentially maybe better than the PT series.
Phil
The te44 has the same compressor wheel at the pt51 and may have the same issue with operating out of the sweet spot. But, changes in the cover etc will change the map.
I do suspect that if you got the t31 frame (t3 based) that it will spool pretty well, potentially maybe better than the PT series.
Phil
Last edited by RoadRebel; Mar 5, 2005 at 09:18 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Clouds Over California
Originally Posted by RoadRebel
Do you really want to know what I think?
In a nutshell? Atleast your in the zipcode now. Depending how its been speced out might even be close.
I have not seen specific compressor or exhaust maps on that turbo as PTE seems people must not want them.
I do know the compressor side specs like a T04e-60trim. Which is pretty close but the effeciency and displacemet of the LS1 pushes is out of the sweet spot quickly but not horrible. The exhaust side, thats a wild card. My guess based on the long header run and the typical exhaust wheel from that family (t4 version) is that it will be soft. But thats not a bad thing. There are a lot of different wheel/housing combinations on top of how it reponds ti difference in exhaust systems feeding it.
But, its much closer and something that would be a great point to learn from.
Maybe Jose can provide a map for the 52? The 51 is a T04E-60trim wheel and the 52 is a slightly larger wheel.
Phil
In a nutshell? Atleast your in the zipcode now. Depending how its been speced out might even be close
.I have not seen specific compressor or exhaust maps on that turbo as PTE seems people must not want them
.I do know the compressor side specs like a T04e-60trim. Which is pretty close but the effeciency and displacemet of the LS1 pushes is out of the sweet spot quickly but not horrible. The exhaust side, thats a wild card. My guess based on the long header run and the typical exhaust wheel from that family (t4 version) is that it will be soft. But thats not a bad thing. There are a lot of different wheel/housing combinations on top of how it reponds ti difference in exhaust systems feeding it.
But, its much closer and something that would be a great point to learn from.
Maybe Jose can provide a map for the 52? The 51 is a T04E-60trim wheel and the 52 is a slightly larger wheel.
Phil
Thanks
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
The PT52 has a different compressor wheel. Slightly larger infact that the TE-44.
If you can find a map for an SC-6027E,SC6030E or SC5252E The all use the 2.320"x 3.000" 60 trim Garret wheel.
Take a look at innovative and others that are using the same wheel and cover for a map. If you find it post it up.
Also,
If you look at your data from your cars current turbo you can look at how it responds and apply the data to the new maps. If I take data from the Stage X map and overlay in on the compressor of the TE44 its just out of the sweet spot. Cetrainly worth a try to see how it responds in your system.
If you can find a map for an SC-6027E,SC6030E or SC5252E The all use the 2.320"x 3.000" 60 trim Garret wheel.
Take a look at innovative and others that are using the same wheel and cover for a map. If you find it post it up.
Also,
If you look at your data from your cars current turbo you can look at how it responds and apply the data to the new maps. If I take data from the Stage X map and overlay in on the compressor of the TE44 its just out of the sweet spot. Cetrainly worth a try to see how it responds in your system.
Le Mans Master
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From: PA
St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by RoadRebel
The te-44 on paper are in the same range as the pt 51/52.
The te44 has the same compressor wheel at the pt51 and may have the same issue with operating out of the sweet spot. But, changes in the cover etc will change the map.
I do suspect that if you got the t31 frame (t3 based) that it will spool pretty well, potentially maybe better than the PT series.
Phil
The te44 has the same compressor wheel at the pt51 and may have the same issue with operating out of the sweet spot. But, changes in the cover etc will change the map.
I do suspect that if you got the t31 frame (t3 based) that it will spool pretty well, potentially maybe better than the PT series.
Phil
phil i am a newbie w/turbo stuff so please bare with me.
the te44 is a t4 exhaust housing so is it possible to "just" switch housings to t3? then making it t3/t4 hybrid? if so i cannot imagine it being that difficult on the ptk kit.
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
The TE44s typically use the T31 style turbine wheel. Its basically a T3 wheel and much smaller that the equivalant T04 based wheel. They typically spool much faster due to its weight and wheel size. If the ones your using are built different than the Buick style specs then I dont know whats on the exhaust side.
Phil
Phil
Le Mans Master
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From: PA
St. Jude Donor '08
Originally Posted by RoadRebel
The TE44s typically use the T31 style turbine wheel. Its basically a T3 wheel and much smaller that the equivalant T04 based wheel. They typically spool much faster due to its weight and wheel size. If the ones your using are built different than the Buick style specs then I dont know whats on the exhaust side.
Phil
Phil
alright then, does the ptk header allow you to go from t3 to t4? i would think that thats pre determined.
thanks
found this article http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...0309htp_turbo/
Last edited by NICK YOSKIN; Mar 6, 2005 at 12:58 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Macomb MI
This might help you guys.
This is a t04e-60 (PT-51) compressor map with 1 data point put on it.
The data point is 9psi and 346cui LS1 making approx 600rwhp.
If you make less power at 9psi then move the data point left on the pressure ratio axis.
If you add displacement or make more power at 9psi then move it right on the pressure ratio axis. Object of the game is to target the high efficiency island through out the operating boost range.
Phil
This is a t04e-60 (PT-51) compressor map with 1 data point put on it.
The data point is 9psi and 346cui LS1 making approx 600rwhp.
If you make less power at 9psi then move the data point left on the pressure ratio axis.
If you add displacement or make more power at 9psi then move it right on the pressure ratio axis. Object of the game is to target the high efficiency island through out the operating boost range.
Phil
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2000
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From: Albuquerque NM
Originally Posted by RoadRebel
This might help you guys.
This is a t04e-60 (PT-51) compressor map with 1 data point put on it.
The data point is 9psi and 346cui LS1 making approx 600rwhp.
If you make less power at 9psi then move the data point left on the pressure ratio axis.
If you add displacement or make more power at 9psi then move it right on the pressure ratio axis. Object of the game is to target the high efficiency island through out the operating boost range.
Phil
This is a t04e-60 (PT-51) compressor map with 1 data point put on it.
The data point is 9psi and 346cui LS1 making approx 600rwhp.
If you make less power at 9psi then move the data point left on the pressure ratio axis.
If you add displacement or make more power at 9psi then move it right on the pressure ratio axis. Object of the game is to target the high efficiency island through out the operating boost range.
Phil
Last edited by flynbludream; Mar 6, 2005 at 03:24 PM.
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From: Volusia. Las Vegas FL, NV
Originally Posted by Spambell
The 44's are going to be the best over all.
I'll make a decision on the kit purchase as soon as I get more feedback from the owners. 