[Z06] Tires Again
Burning Brakes
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Hell, why not recommend a Hoosier road racing slick. I wouldn't recommend anyone drive around the street on those tires, unless they just like buying tires every couple of months. A tire with a wear rating of 140 should not be compared to legitimate street tires such as the Supercar, PS2, etc, which are designed for maximum grip with decent mileage and have nearly twice the UTQG rating. Hoosier A6, Toyo RA1, etc, all have a "DOT" stamp on them. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to head down the highway with them every day.
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Burning Brakes
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What would be your top three choices of tires to buy (street not Slick) if you only concern was traction on the Drag strip, I have been reading forums all morning and it appears a (R Compound) would be the first indicator of the best tire and in this forum. A soft side walled Nitto 555R sounds the best, but what's your thoughts. I'm still runing the original F1's with 16,000 miles and getting very poor traction. What is the compound of an F1?
My Corvette is a 2002 Z06 with 388 rwhp.
My Corvette is a 2002 Z06 with 388 rwhp.
The SC F1 is of a "softer more agressive" compound than one would find on a normal street tire.
R Compound tires are design to achieve and maintain maximum traction when they reach their operating temps.
The BFG, Nitto tires are well suited for drag strip. Soft side walls are part of the equation in selecting a good tire for drag racing.
Drifting
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Why not? if you have not noticed, OEM tires on Ferrari, Lamborgini, BMW and Porsche cars are 140 AAA A tires. Not to mention the S2000. What do you consider a "legit" street tire? Sears Roadhandlers? You asked and I gave you my opinion based on my experience with street tires on the track. I use the Wide Ovals OEM sizes when its used as a daily driver on the street.
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Burning Brakes
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No, actually I didn't ask, someone else did. I submit that a person with the budget to buy a Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc, doesn't mind buying a tire that will only last a couple of thousand miles - likely to be more than annual driving anyway - as the cost of ownership is astronomical when compared to a Corvette Z06. As for your Sears Roadhandler comment - lets not have this discussion degenerate into the usual mud slinging garbage that occurs here when someone else's opinion differs. I think my position on performance and tire selection based on testing is clear. But if I've left a grey area in your mind let me reiterate that I wouldn't put the Wide Ovals on my car because they're not up to the level I push my car to quite often.
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Drifting
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That's the problem, the issue is not the cost of ownership. Its the cost of driving it. You own a world class car. All street tires whether 140 or 300 are legit. Bridgestone S02s, RE050s and other with their ratings are competitively price. Its the mentality of most on this forum that gets me. If you push your car why nit pick a tire if its a 140 rating or costs $300 a tire. If its your budget you are concerned about. The Firestone Wide Ovals, Kumhos and Toyo Proxies are very predictable and stable when pushed. For the price they work on the streets which why I have them. The reality is that when it comes to HP, the tires are also a part of the equation. Unfortunately its usually not at a cost most consider "affordable". As for pushing your car on public streets/highways to a level you see fit, that is also a cost which most do not consider until its too late.
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Burning Brakes
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Cost of driving is cost of ownership. Personally, I would say that buying a set of F1 Supercars every nine months is about as far as I'm willing to go in cost vs performance for street driving applications. Obviously if your budget allows for it, riding around on a Hoosier and hoping the police buy the DOT stamp on the side would be the e-ticket ride - so long as you don't get caught in a heavy rain. This line of discussion is irrelevant to nearly everyone on this board, however, as driving down the road on a race tire isn't going to happen very often. The original poster was looking for a street tire for daily driving.
Yes he was looking for a street tire other than the usual suspects that are indigus to the C5 Z06. Unfortunately for what he is looking for in the 17" /18" OEM sizes, there is not much of a selection out there.
Drifting
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I have a loaded Monte Carlo SS my father gave me to use as a daily driver - oddly enough, it's the garage queen. My Z06 is hard to walk by without getting in. I'd love to be able to run a race tire, but that'll have to wait until I move into another house. As I see it what I'd need to be somewhat practical is a lift and another set of wheels so I could use the race rubber sparingly when the mood strike me and the conditions allow. The spot that leaves me in is that I don't want any less performance than the Supercar offers, and I don't want any larger annual tire budget. More or less stuck - but I like the tire so being stuck isn't like say, being stuck with a Sears Roadhandler. 
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Burning Brakes
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I have a loaded Monte Carlo SS my father gave me to use as a daily driver - oddly enough, it's the garage queen. My Z06 is hard to walk by without getting in. I'd love to be able to run a race tire, but that'll have to wait until I move into another house. As I see it what I'd need to be somewhat practical is a lift and another set of wheels so I could use the race rubber sparingly when the mood strike me and the conditions allow. The spot that leaves me in is that I don't want any less performance than the Supercar offers, and I don't want any larger annual tire budget. More or less stuck - but I like the tire so being stuck isn't like say, being stuck with a Sears Roadhandler.
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Burning Brakes
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Drifting
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Outstanding. I've been about everywhere there is to go in the states - a lot of places I didn't want to go included, like Pocono, Rockingham, etc... Nascar tracks are a bunch of bunk. Funny you mention being young once... this other forum I visit they think I'm old at 37.
Burning Brakes
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Outstanding. I've been about everywhere there is to go in the states - a lot of places I didn't want to go included, like Pocono, Rockingham, etc... Nascar tracks are a bunch of bunk. Funny you mention being young once... this other forum I visit they think I'm old at 37.
Drifting
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Working on putting together a WiFi network for Riyadh. I have a proposal due on Monday for a quarter million dollar budget project. Which is also why I've been connected to the net about 20 hours out of every day this week.
Burning Brakes
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WiFi network, humm. Which standard and what are you using for APs
Drifting
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It's a combination of Alcon 2.4 and 5.8 GHz equipment. Bridging from the industrial area into central Riyadh with 20 nodes in the city. I cannot get into the specifics too much due to the restrictions I'm under for this particular client.
Burning Brakes
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Interesting since the "N" standard hasn't been fully ratified. Its a wonder you're not using Motorola's Canopy for the bridging. At 900 mhz, it will cut through practically everything. Don't mind my mumbling, you're the expert not someone like me who doesn't have a clue.
Drifting
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I have reasons for the equipment selection - one of which is access to equipment that's not currently on the market, directly from engineering support.
EDIT: By the way, they don't have to adhere to standards, they create them. It's a monarchy. If you'd like to "mumble" some more, perhaps PMs. This poor chap's thread is way off course with this.
EDIT: By the way, they don't have to adhere to standards, they create them. It's a monarchy. If you'd like to "mumble" some more, perhaps PMs. This poor chap's thread is way off course with this.
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Racer
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What would be your top three choices of tires to buy (street not Slick) if you only concern was traction on the Drag strip, I have been reading forums all morning and it appears a (R Compound) would be the first indicator of the best tire and in this forum. A soft side walled Nitto 555R sounds the best, but what's your thoughts. I'm still runing the original F1's with 16,000 miles and getting very poor traction. What is the compound of an F1?
My Corvette is a 2002 Z06 with 388 rwhp.
My Corvette is a 2002 Z06 with 388 rwhp.
I lived up north (ie, lake placid NY snow winters) for 6+ yr and quickly learned a "do it all tire" does everything crappy. I ran true european snow tires in the winter, Z rubber in the summer, DOT R stuff for time trialing, and BFG/Nitto drag radials and Hoosier slicks for drag racing. This mostly on other cars, but with my fairly recenty acquired Z06, I'll likely run PS2's on the street (soon as I finish off my factory F1s), V710/R6 open track/time trailing, and MT ET streets or BFG drag radials for when I get the itch to go bang gears.
Racer
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Wife and I are building a garage with a detached house about 3 miles as the crow flies from the track, I could hear them over there all weekend while working.
Always sucks to be slavin' and listening to everybody else play.
I did run the 01 at Commerce after work this fri, on the 6+ yr F1's
Not pretty (12.3x best spinning my way through 1-2). Can't wait to put some stick back there.
Always sucks to be slavin' and listening to everybody else play.
I did run the 01 at Commerce after work this fri, on the 6+ yr F1's
Not pretty (12.3x best spinning my way through 1-2). Can't wait to put some stick back there.
Instructor
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Best tire
My car came with Nitto 555R. Since I have no basis for comparison im not really sure what to think of them. Although they seem sticky to me. But they are designed more for a drag setup right?
[QUOTE=Twil1ght;1559348725]You're correct in that they are designed for drag racing. The properties of a tire designed for hard launch at the strip (soft side walls)
Twilight, Sitll confussed let me piece together (2) prior threads, you are answing the first with your quote statement, right!
I got your answer to my thread as being use drag slicks, what I had stated I could not do.
I live at 6000' above sea leavel and my nearest drag strip is 200 miles away, some times through water and ice slicks are out of the question.
I need a soft compound and side walled tire.
What is my E-ticket ride, I need your input.
Thanks,
[QUOTE=Twil1ght;1559348725]You're correct in that they are designed for drag racing. The properties of a tire designed for hard launch at the strip (soft side walls)
Twilight, Sitll confussed let me piece together (2) prior threads, you are answing the first with your quote statement, right!
I got your answer to my thread as being use drag slicks, what I had stated I could not do.
I live at 6000' above sea leavel and my nearest drag strip is 200 miles away, some times through water and ice slicks are out of the question.
I need a soft compound and side walled tire.
What is my E-ticket ride, I need your input.
Thanks,