Be gentle.....CLB question
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Be gentle.....CLB question
Yes, I've read the sticky. Yes I've tried to find the answer by searching threads.
Question is..
2000 mn6. The previous owner had the dealer do the recall. After sitting for the winter in storage. I'm getting the "service column lock" message on the DIC. That's it, nothing about pulling the key etc..
Can this one be solved by just pulling the fuse and waiting? Question #2 would be, should I order a CLB kit and install it, even though the recall has been done?
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Question is..
2000 mn6. The previous owner had the dealer do the recall. After sitting for the winter in storage. I'm getting the "service column lock" message on the DIC. That's it, nothing about pulling the key etc..
Can this one be solved by just pulling the fuse and waiting? Question #2 would be, should I order a CLB kit and install it, even though the recall has been done?
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Low battery voltage can cause this. Try charging or replacing battery. For a quick fix (and to see if this is the problem), you could jump it from another car.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
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Low battery voltage can cause this. Try charging or replacing battery. For a quick fix (and to see if this is the problem), you could jump it from another car.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
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Low battery voltage can cause this. Try charging or replacing battery. For a quick fix (and to see if this is the problem), you could jump it from another car.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
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Low battery voltage can cause this. Try charging or replacing battery. For a quick fix (and to see if this is the problem), you could jump it from another car.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
Oh, and IF this fixes it, order a COH CLB and remove the k-harness and install it. It will just be a matter of time before it fails.
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There have been 3 safety recalls on the steering column lock. If I recall correctly, the sticky deals with the 3rd recall.
I had the column lock problem with my car (99 FRC) last summer. The third recall is a permanent fix in that it removes the column lock pin/plate from the steering wheel so the column can never lock again under any circumstances.
I believe the 2nd recall did something with the wiring harness plus they reprogrammed the PCM to cut off the fuel at the same time.
Unfortunately, the time period for getting the 3rd recall done has expired.
I had the column lock problem with my car (99 FRC) last summer. The third recall is a permanent fix in that it removes the column lock pin/plate from the steering wheel so the column can never lock again under any circumstances.
I believe the 2nd recall did something with the wiring harness plus they reprogrammed the PCM to cut off the fuel at the same time.
Unfortunately, the time period for getting the 3rd recall done has expired.
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If I'm wrong as to how this works, hopefully someone who actually knows (as opposed to heard/read it somewhere from ????) will correct me.
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This is my understanding of the reprogramming: GM was concerned that the steering column could get locked but the car would still be drivable - think major litigation. The reprogramming was to ensure that the fuel delivery would be cut off if the column locked up (the over 2 mph scenario). While the CLB won't "undo" the reprogramming, I believe that the CLB should be "sending a signal" to the control module that everything is okay, so theoretically the fuel won't get shut off. In terms of function, it essentially would be circumventing it, as you phrased it. Ideally (in my mind), the dealer never did the reprogramming, and you just install the CLB.
If I'm wrong as to how this works, hopefully someone who actually knows (as opposed to heard/read it somewhere from ????) will correct me.
If I'm wrong as to how this works, hopefully someone who actually knows (as opposed to heard/read it somewhere from ????) will correct me.
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Was a little concerned as after I got the car I ran the History and found it had the first two recalls #2 had the reprogram. Hope this takes care of it. I've had a few random Pull key wait 10 sec. Kind of a PIA.
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The recall was done by the previous owner of my Z06, but I don't know which version. I've purchased a CLB as well but I'm nervous about installing it due to this part at the end of the FAQ:
I don't know what the recall mod relay is, and I really don't feel comfortable adding my own wiring in order to make it work correctly.
Q Why is there sometimes a conflict between the recall mod and my CLB?
A For MN6 and M12 cars, the recall mod added a second relay (different from the Harness K which is the GM version of the CLB) between your BCM and your ECL in series with the orange (LOCK) wire. This is to safeguard against a spurious glitch from ever locking your ECL while you are driving (clearly GM is paranoid now). The problem is that this second relay is causing a timing glitch, which resets your CLB immediately after it switches states. The reason it works with your stock ECL is because your ECL motor (being mechanical and slow compared to solid-state logic), is immune to these timing glitches whereas the latching relay inside your CLB sees these glitches and reacts to them.
Q For MN6/M12 cars what can I do if this situation occurs?
A Go into your passenger footwell. Remove your BCM and locate the recall mod relay, remove it and add a jumper wire between the white wire (pin 30) and the orange wire (pin 87). Note that there are two orange wires, so make sure you get the right one!
A For MN6 and M12 cars, the recall mod added a second relay (different from the Harness K which is the GM version of the CLB) between your BCM and your ECL in series with the orange (LOCK) wire. This is to safeguard against a spurious glitch from ever locking your ECL while you are driving (clearly GM is paranoid now). The problem is that this second relay is causing a timing glitch, which resets your CLB immediately after it switches states. The reason it works with your stock ECL is because your ECL motor (being mechanical and slow compared to solid-state logic), is immune to these timing glitches whereas the latching relay inside your CLB sees these glitches and reacts to them.
Q For MN6/M12 cars what can I do if this situation occurs?
A Go into your passenger footwell. Remove your BCM and locate the recall mod relay, remove it and add a jumper wire between the white wire (pin 30) and the orange wire (pin 87). Note that there are two orange wires, so make sure you get the right one!
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I had the first recall done on my car (same year/tranny as yours) and still installed the CLB. No problems at all.
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I posted this on another thread...I'll post it again....
If you own a C5...Walk out to where it is parked...Open the drivers door...Take hold of the steering wheel...NO, dont put the key in the ignition...Just take hold of the dang steering wheel and try to turn it left to right.......Does it turn???..Yes??...GOOD!!!...It (a) has had a bypass installed...(b) has had the locking plate removed....(c) is a 2001 or newer C5 with A4 tranny which didnt have a column lock system from the factory......Now, what if your steering wheel wont turn??...ORDER A CLB...Do it NOW!!!Get it installed before your C5 leaves you HANGING!!!!
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1999 C5 Vert...........NFLIGHT
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2005 SSR................NFORSSR
2000 Harley.............NYTRYD
1993 GMC Z-71........NFORCR..(sold)
2004 Silverado.........NVIGR8R
2002 Monte SS........SRNDPTY
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If you own a C5...Walk out to where it is parked...Open the drivers door...Take hold of the steering wheel...NO, dont put the key in the ignition...Just take hold of the dang steering wheel and try to turn it left to right.......Does it turn???..Yes??...GOOD!!!...It (a) has had a bypass installed...(b) has had the locking plate removed....(c) is a 2001 or newer C5 with A4 tranny which didnt have a column lock system from the factory......Now, what if your steering wheel wont turn??...ORDER A CLB...Do it NOW!!!Get it installed before your C5 leaves you HANGING!!!!
Dan Samento
Canon City, Co
www.dansamento.com
1999 C5 Coupe.........NVADER
1999 C5 Vert...........NFLIGHT
2007 C6 Z-06..........NNIAL8R
2005 SSR................NFORSSR
2000 Harley.............NYTRYD
1993 GMC Z-71........NFORCR..(sold)
2004 Silverado.........NVIGR8R
2002 Monte SS........SRNDPTY
1961 ****** V8 Jeep..THUMPER
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I posted this on another thread...I'll post it again....
If you own a C5...Walk out to where it is parked...Open the drivers door...Take hold of the steering wheel...NO, dont put the key in the ignition...Just take hold of the dang steering wheel and try to turn it left to right.......Does it turn???..Yes??...GOOD!!!...It (a) has had a bypass installed...(b) has had the locking plate removed....(c) is a 2001 or newer C5 with A4 tranny which didnt have a column lock system from the factory......Now, what if your steering wheel wont turn??...ORDER A CLB...Do it NOW!!!Get it installed before your C5 leaves you HANGING!!!!
Dan Samento
Canon City, Co
www.dansamento.com
1999 C5 Coupe.........NVADER
1999 C5 Vert...........NFLIGHT
2007 C6 Z-06..........NNIAL8R
2005 SSR................NFORSSR
2000 Harley.............NYTRYD
1993 GMC Z-71........NFORCR..(sold)
2004 Silverado.........NVIGR8R
2002 Monte SS........SRNDPTY
1961 ****** V8 Jeep..THUMPER
If you own a C5...Walk out to where it is parked...Open the drivers door...Take hold of the steering wheel...NO, dont put the key in the ignition...Just take hold of the dang steering wheel and try to turn it left to right.......Does it turn???..Yes??...GOOD!!!...It (a) has had a bypass installed...(b) has had the locking plate removed....(c) is a 2001 or newer C5 with A4 tranny which didnt have a column lock system from the factory......Now, what if your steering wheel wont turn??...ORDER A CLB...Do it NOW!!!Get it installed before your C5 leaves you HANGING!!!!
Dan Samento
Canon City, Co
www.dansamento.com
1999 C5 Coupe.........NVADER
1999 C5 Vert...........NFLIGHT
2007 C6 Z-06..........NNIAL8R
2005 SSR................NFORSSR
2000 Harley.............NYTRYD
1993 GMC Z-71........NFORCR..(sold)
2004 Silverado.........NVIGR8R
2002 Monte SS........SRNDPTY
1961 ****** V8 Jeep..THUMPER
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Yes, I've read the sticky. Yes I've tried to find the answer by searching threads.
Question is..
2000 mn6. The previous owner had the dealer do the recall. After sitting for the winter in storage. I'm getting the "service column lock" message on the DIC. That's it, nothing about pulling the key etc..
Can this one be solved by just pulling the fuse and waiting? Question #2 would be, should I order a CLB kit and install it, even though the recall has been done?
<flame suit on>
Question is..
2000 mn6. The previous owner had the dealer do the recall. After sitting for the winter in storage. I'm getting the "service column lock" message on the DIC. That's it, nothing about pulling the key etc..
Can this one be solved by just pulling the fuse and waiting? Question #2 would be, should I order a CLB kit and install it, even though the recall has been done?
<flame suit on>
