[Z06] Tsp cam packages
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Drifting
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Tsp cam packages
Lookin at maybe going with the TSP cam package. Looks like a great deal. Don't know much about their cams. I have been researching other cams. I want an aggressive cam that has a good (somewhat choppy) lope. My car is an 03 Z with 13,000 miles with basic bolt ons, cai, lg longtubes, B&B Bullitts, high flow cats, etc. I have already collected the following, Yella Terra 1.7's, ASP underdrive pulley, ARP bolt. Any suggestions on TSP cam package selection? Any vids of a TSP cam installed on C5?
Thanks,
Matt
Thanks,
Matt
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
Keep the lift UNDER .600 . Your springs which are very good are only rated to about .575
or get new spring with the cam.
question is what do you want your car to do?
MS3 or MS4 are popular with the F body boys
I like the 228r myself. I have a 224r now
Good Luck
or get new spring with the cam.
question is what do you want your car to do?
MS3 or MS4 are popular with the F body boys
I like the 228r myself. I have a 224r now
Good Luck
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Drifting
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From: WENTZVILLE MO
According to TSP website the springs with the kit will hold .650 I believe. Either way I am planning on changing springs. Is the MS3-4 a TSP cam?
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Drifting
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Ms3
I guess the MS stands for Magic Stick? Sorry, I did not put that together. I guess this is a pretty popular cam. I haven't heard of alot of guys running the MS4. Alot more running the MS3 it seems like. What LSA are you running?
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
but .650 is too much. too many valve problems with lift above .600 PLUS most heads dont flow much above .600 any way so why even go there?
the Stock .243 heads purtty much dont flow will above .590 so why have a lift above .600 ? That is called OVER CAMMING. IIRC. Numbers look cool but that is about it.
for street use a 114+4 is great easy to tune and have a bit of a rumble
my cam is a 224/224 .581/.581 on 112+0 LS6 Which is about the 224r cam.
just over 400 rwhp and 405 rwtq. 4:1 93:100 octane mix with as much advance timing as I can run.
my next cam most likely will be a 224/228 .581/.588 110+4 with AFR 205 heads milled to .60 cc on 100 octane
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the Stock .243 heads purtty much dont flow will above .590 so why have a lift above .600 ? That is called OVER CAMMING. IIRC. Numbers look cool but that is about it.
for street use a 114+4 is great easy to tune and have a bit of a rumble
my cam is a 224/224 .581/.581 on 112+0 LS6 Which is about the 224r cam.
just over 400 rwhp and 405 rwtq. 4:1 93:100 octane mix with as much advance timing as I can run.
my next cam most likely will be a 224/228 .581/.588 110+4 with AFR 205 heads milled to .60 cc on 100 octane
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Last edited by AU N EGL; Jun 6, 2009 at 03:15 PM.
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
http://www.texas-speed.com/SHOP/cate...MID=3&catid=44
the
TSP XS Series Camshaft: 233/239, .595"/.603" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Separation.
could als be a good option
the Texas Speed Torquer v.2 Camshaft
TSP XS Series Camshaft: Torquer 2 232/234, .595"/.598" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Separation.
Remember too much or too long of duration can also delay throttle response and low end torque can suffer. but once your above 3000 rpms,
your all smiles
the
TSP XS Series Camshaft: 233/239, .595"/.603" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Separation.
could als be a good option
the Texas Speed Torquer v.2 Camshaft
TSP XS Series Camshaft: Torquer 2 232/234, .595"/.598" Camshaft With Your Choice of Lobe Separation.
Remember too much or too long of duration can also delay throttle response and low end torque can suffer. but once your above 3000 rpms,
your all smiles
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
228r http://www.texas-speed.com/SHOP/item...d=167&catid=44
would be my best recomondations
Great low end very good mid range upper range
very very street able
"The Texas Speed 228/228 .588/.588 114+4 or 112+4 for a more rumble
This camshaft features Comp Cams XER lobes! The XER lobes have been proven to make big horsepower & torque thanks to their aggressive ramp rates & healthy lift.
1600-6300 RPM Power Band; This is an excellent performance camshaft with a smooth idle! Custom tuning for automatic cars required
This camshaft typically gains approximately 40rwhp!"
may not be huge SEXY numbers, but your BUTT O Metter will know the differnce
would be my best recomondations
Great low end very good mid range upper range
very very street able
"The Texas Speed 228/228 .588/.588 114+4 or 112+4 for a more rumble
This camshaft features Comp Cams XER lobes! The XER lobes have been proven to make big horsepower & torque thanks to their aggressive ramp rates & healthy lift.
1600-6300 RPM Power Band; This is an excellent performance camshaft with a smooth idle! Custom tuning for automatic cars required
This camshaft typically gains approximately 40rwhp!"
may not be huge SEXY numbers, but your BUTT O Metter will know the differnce
Last edited by AU N EGL; Jun 6, 2009 at 03:24 PM.
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I recently got their 228r kit on a 114lsa(got it with the double springs just to be safe). I am very happy with it. It has a mild lope, which since these cars are light, it does shake the car a little bit at times, but again, it is mild. The car is very streetable, and has surprisingly strong low-mid range, but that would also have to do with me getting their 5.3 stage II heads along with it. Vette Doctors did the tune and I got 432rwhp.
If you want a real choppy drag car type lope this cam won't give you that, but remember those cams will hurt low-end and driveability, and you could overcam as AU mentioned. The 228r is a nice in between cam that is not too small and not too big.
...oh and yeah, you can get it on a 112 lsa for more lope. OR maybe even a lower lsa than that if you wanted. Lower lsa also = better lower end and less top end just so you know.
best thing to do is Call TSP, tell them exactly what you want and ask their advice. IMO, they have the best pricing on Cam packages (Cost half the price of LG cam packages as one example) and great customer service too.
If you want a real choppy drag car type lope this cam won't give you that, but remember those cams will hurt low-end and driveability, and you could overcam as AU mentioned. The 228r is a nice in between cam that is not too small and not too big.
...oh and yeah, you can get it on a 112 lsa for more lope. OR maybe even a lower lsa than that if you wanted. Lower lsa also = better lower end and less top end just so you know.
best thing to do is Call TSP, tell them exactly what you want and ask their advice. IMO, they have the best pricing on Cam packages (Cost half the price of LG cam packages as one example) and great customer service too.
Last edited by kbreese; Jun 7, 2009 at 11:27 AM.
Racer
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If you are set on Texas Speed, I would go with a Torquer v.2 or v.3 personally. I almost went with a v.3 but had a custom grind done from Nick Williams. I am going with heads soon so I went a little bigger 236/240 with just over .600 lift. It can be annoying in parking lots sometimes, but on the highway above 2600-2800 rpm it screams and pulls very hard through 6500. Probably not much of a DD cam. Mine is on a 112 and I love it. It will rock your boat.
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I did a LOT of cam research before going with the 228r. Saw too many poor results with the torquer cams. Not sure why.
BEST way to go is to get a custom grind from someone like Ed Curtis, but the 228r has pretty much universal praise as being a good cam, and again, can't beat TSP's prices on the cam package.
BEST way to go is to get a custom grind from someone like Ed Curtis, but the 228r has pretty much universal praise as being a good cam, and again, can't beat TSP's prices on the cam package.
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I think some people are biased of their cams and shut down anything that is big. True that if your setup and can't support a bigger cam, than stick with a mild cam. MS3 and MS4 are good cams. Th3 Ms3 is a more street friendly cam but not a worlds difference from the MS4. Depends on what your looking for. TSP has a good cam package with fual springs and pushrods for $689.00 so check that out. Research is all that I can tell you rite now. I run a pretty big cam and it runs great even on the street. If you are a mostly street driver that likes to play with a few cobras or other vettes on the highway, I would check out the MS3 or torquer v.3. If you have a daily driver and just want a nice lope get a mild cam with a 112 or lower LSA.
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Yes some heads do flow very well into the low .600s or .610 or so, then again, why go to a lift higher then the heads will flow?
Plus any high lift cam with spring to support that lift, is very hard on the valve train. and really do not produce that much more hp
Some ppl put in big double springs, that have too much valve seat pressure. All components need to work together
The other question comes down to is where the heads flow at each of the lifts, .200, .300, .400, .500
with stock or even mildle ported 243 heads, keep the lift under .600 to get the most benifit of the heads and cam.
On dont forget a new timing chain when you change the cam
Good Luck
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Drifting
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From: WENTZVILLE MO
TSP Cam Packages
Well, after speaking to Matt at Texas Speed he concluded that the Torquer v3 on a 111 LSA would be the best fit for me. I did get the dual springs with the kit. I was leaning towards the 228r or the MS3 but I also wanted to keep as much of the low end torque that I could. He concluded that this set up would be the best fit for me. I'll let you know how it turns out. Of course it will take 10-14 days before I have it in hand. I did stick with my stock heads, and ordered the 7.425 pushrods. It's just a guess but they said they will overnight a different size if those do not work. He suggested starting with 7.4's but I had read a few similar set ups to mine where they had to go to 7.425's.
I did think at one point if I am waiting 10-14 days why not get a custom grind but I got a headache from researching this thing and am ready to be done with the ordering process.
I did think at one point if I am waiting 10-14 days why not get a custom grind but I got a headache from researching this thing and am ready to be done with the ordering process.
Your parts left yesterday and will arrive to you on Monday!
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Drifting
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TSP Cam
Yep. Got the package today. Texas Speed is as advertised. Look forward to maybe getting this thing in this week, if not will have it in next week. I will update when completed.
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Just a little motivation for you....
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If you plan on doing the work, get ready for some busted nuckles
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If you plan on doing the work, get ready for some busted nuckles
