DarkBlueC5

I was reading my new issue of Car and Driver on the train ride home from work yesterday and something caught my attention and it's been bugging me ever since. Reading the specs on the 2012 Audi TT RS. 360hp and 340 (i think) torque from a turbo'd inline 5.

So, the specs they list are a 0-60 time of 4 seconds flat with the 6 speed manual, and 3.6 seconds with the dual clutch "auto manual" and a 1/4 time of 12 seconds.

REALLY???? What am I missing here, because my 12 year old C5 coupe has 350hp and 350torque, weighs exactly the same, so on paper it should perform closely, but the average best 0-60 I've ever seen on paper for a C5 manual is 4.6 to 4.7, with a 1/4 mile of 13.3 or so. That's a huge gap!!!

Is it gearing on the Audi...or perhaps the low torque curve of the turbo (peak torque at only 1400 RPM) that gives it the edge?

Or, is someone being optimistic with the numbers on the Audi, cuz brother those are ZO6 times and don't tell me a 360hp car is running alongside a 505hp car.

thoughts?

Mr.C5

I read the article just now they say the EURO 7 speed autos with launch control run 3.6's because of the launch control. They are only importing 1000 according to the article to the US, in the 6 speed manual transmission, without launch control, and are estimated at a 4.5 in the 0-60.


cited:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...car-and-driver

Medrivfast

AWD + Launch control = low 0-60 time

rebelheart

DarkBlueC5

That's odd...they have different info in the print magazine. I just checked, and they list the US version at 360hp (not 340) and the 0-60 of 4.0 with the manual tranny. Could be a typo? 4.5 seems more realistic to me.

DarkBlueC5

Either way, my post wasn't meant to bash the car - I actually think it's pretty sweet and I've always liked Audis. Expensive to maintain (speaking from experience) but great style/design and engine technology. I guess I was just pretty impressed with those numbers. Kind of looks like the R8's little brother, too.

But I still like my Corvette better. ;-)

Mr.C5

I agree, the car looks gorgeous, but the American trim gets a 6speed 25+hp and no launch control. Always taking away the cool Euro gadgets.

C5Wolfe

Have you ever noticed that what they claim in the magazines doesn't always pan out on the dragstrip? I've seen many so called "faster on paper" cars get their butt handed to them by c-5s on the strip.

rebelheart

LOL I see it every week at the strip!But most times the weak link is the driver.

Vetteman Jack

That is impressive numbers for that hp/torque.

spoon98hatch

Car and driver is total crap nough said. Prove it on the track

SVTBAIT

There is no way a 3000+ lb car with ~350hp will run a 12.0 1/4 mile.

The car would have to a a sub 1.0 second 60 foot time to make that happen. That won't happen on street tires. Ever.

CGGS

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I have had 3 C5 Z06s and currently have a 13' TTRS with an APR Stage 1 tune and just the other day test drove a C5 Z06 on the lot at a local dealer.

Stock, the TTRS is no match for the C5 Z06, a regular C5, yes.

My Stage 1 TTRS (which is about 420hp and ~430TQ) feels just about equal with a C5 Z06. The main difference is the torque curve. The TTRS feels faster off the line because the turbo spools quickly and has a lot of torque down low, the Z06 however feels much stronger in the upper RPM range where the TTRS's turbo starts to fall off.

Handling is close...

The TTRS understeers ALOT stock, but the magnetic shocks on the car rock!! Very stable well into triple digit speeds and very controlled when upset in sweepers. Its a car you can drive very fast in and still feel confident. I added stiffer springs in the rear and it dialed out most of the understeer. The Z06 has higher limits (lateral g), but not by much.

It really speaks volumes for the C5 Z06, a 10+ year car now, can hang with a 2013 $65K Audi RS model.

They both feel very special to drive. I love my TTRS, but I love spending just as much time in a C5 Z06 too. The TTRS does it in a luxury/refined kind of way and the Z06 does it in more of in a no thrills true sports car way.

04silverZ06

Thanks for your input - I always love reading unbiased experienced opinions.

momo20

very well said my friend and its nice to get a view from someone who owns both of the cars!

andrec10

QUATTRO AWD...No slippage

troyguitar

Yeah turbo + AWD + short gearing = the Audi does very well at low speeds. I've had an S4, allroad, TT, a VW GTI and they all use the short gearing method of being quick at legal speeds. They all turn at least 3000 RPM at 70 MPH and run out of steam at felonious speeds.

Audi's are a JOY to drive compared to the C5 on public roads, but once you get them on a track it is the other way around. Nose-heavy, numb, understeering pigs is pretty much what they become compared to a vette. The R8 is probably an exception but I have not driven one.

If I could afford it and had the garage space, I would have kept both my S4 and my Z06.

The TT-RS is an awesome car for the money, just like the Corvette. MSRP $55k roughly for tons of luxury, tons of speed, all-weather capability, and an actual manual transmission is great.

Evilash

Yep. 4.2 Quattro is so much easier to drive around and still can be fun but love my C5 on track or grippy hot days with no errands to run.

troyguitar

4.2 quattro with 7200 RPM redline, heated Recaros, real headlights, and massive cargo space is indeed one hell of a street car, I miss it driving around town.



I don't miss 19 mpg on the highway, burning 1 quart of oil every 1500 miles, the $1800 clutch, or numerous electrical issues

CGGS

I hated my 4.2 V8 in the 2005 S4 I had. Especially in the S4 that weighed in at about 4K lbs and with low 300 lb ft of TQ. It also SUCKED fuel. With spirited driving I regularly saw 12 MPG.

However the 2.5T in the TTRS is very nice, it also helps that the TTRS comes in at around 3250 lbs. I see 18 to 20 MPG with spirited driving and close to 30 in freeway driving in the TTRS.

Granted if you drive the Z06 hard, you can get it down to 12 MPG too, but at least you get a big *** smile on your face too, so its at least worth the penalty.