Oh Happy Day...Cold air experience
12-13-2018, 01:31 AM
#81
Melting Slicks
those tests and the ecklers guy selling a snake oil product crack me up, you can’t honestly think any of that is credible....
Have you ever used an infrared thermometer? It actually measures the surface of an area in a cone shape the further you are away the lager the circle of the cone, neither guy had a clue of that, they didn’t even try to be consistent.
the part you are not getting though is a few degrees will still not make any measurable difference in the air temps entering and leaving tb there simply is not enough time or surface area to transfer heat from the tb to the air.
I will try to give you a real world example from a technician not an engineer. I do hvac for a living. If you have a ac system that is low on refrigerant the boiling point in the evaporator will be lower than normal, say 5* instead of something like 40* this is Boyles law pressure/ temperature relationship. So you would think the air would come out cooler...thats like 35* colder coil! But you will not even see a temperature change in the air because it is moving too fast and only the very bottom of the evap has any cold refrigerant in it, the rest of the coil is warm. a coil is designed for heat transfer to air and still wont show any real cooling because there is not enough surface area that is 5*....
Have you ever used an infrared thermometer? It actually measures the surface of an area in a cone shape the further you are away the lager the circle of the cone, neither guy had a clue of that, they didn’t even try to be consistent.
the part you are not getting though is a few degrees will still not make any measurable difference in the air temps entering and leaving tb there simply is not enough time or surface area to transfer heat from the tb to the air.
I will try to give you a real world example from a technician not an engineer. I do hvac for a living. If you have a ac system that is low on refrigerant the boiling point in the evaporator will be lower than normal, say 5* instead of something like 40* this is Boyles law pressure/ temperature relationship. So you would think the air would come out cooler...thats like 35* colder coil! But you will not even see a temperature change in the air because it is moving too fast and only the very bottom of the evap has any cold refrigerant in it, the rest of the coil is warm. a coil is designed for heat transfer to air and still wont show any real cooling because there is not enough surface area that is 5*....
Last edited by Forcedvert; 12-13-2018 at 01:45 AM.
12-13-2018, 01:40 AM
#82
Safety Car
those tests and the ecklers guy selling a snake oil product crack me up, you can’t honestly think any of that is credible....
Have you ever used an infrared thermometer? It actually measures the surface of an area in a cone shape the further you are away the lager the circle of the cone, neither guy had a clue of that, they didn’t even try to be consistent.
the part you are not getting though is a few degrees will still not make any measurable difference in the air temps entering and leaving tb there simply is not enough time or surface area to transfer heat from the tb to the air.
12-13-2018, 01:59 AM
#83
Melting Slicks
I added something that may help you understand but maybe not. Remember you are not the only person reading this thread. You gave advice to op that lots of people say won’t hurt anything in warm climates but also doesn’t really do anything but make tb easier to remove. Some things are not a matter of opinion but are actually based in fact, so post some facts or admit you are just yanking chains here.
12-13-2018, 02:24 AM
#84
Safety Car
I added something that may help you understand but maybe not. Remember you are not the only person reading this thread. You gave advice to op that lots of people say won’t hurt anything in warm climates but also doesn’t really do anything but make tb easier to remove. Some things are not a matter of opinion but are actually based in fact, so post some facts or admit you are just yanking chains here.
Like i said, this post is scuffed.
12-13-2018, 07:49 AM
#85
Melting Slicks
The whole thread was about cooler air making a power difference. Your post about the bypass mod (although it’s doubtful it does anything for this) was relevant to the topic but so are all the posts trying to point out (in different ways) why it doesn’t really work. Op and others can learn from all of this and make an educated decision on if the mod is going to do what they want.
12-13-2018, 10:43 AM
#86
Burning Brakes
Wow, what a conversation we have here, lol. Back in 1993 when the LT1 came out in Camaros, Corvettes and Impalas/Caprices many people swore then too that removing the TB coolant line resulted in 5-10 hp gains. I even tried the mod on my 96 Impala SS and didn't notice anything. Several members from different GM forums had their cars dynoed which showed actual gains of 1-3 hp after removing the coolant line, but that's it. Those gains are so small they can easily fall into the margin of error category since many variables contribute to dyno numbers. I've seen variables that small with no changes made to the vehicle being tested. I watched this debate continue when the LS1 came out which had the same results and the LS engines have composite intakes which are even less sesnitive to heat soak. As some people have pointed out removing any heat from the intake tract can only be a good thing especially in hot summer temps, but don't expect any measurable hp gain, that's not the real point of doing this mod. Another positive side to this mod is being able to easily remove the TB for cleaning ,etc. If you drive your vette where the temps are 30 degrees or lower it would be wise to keep that TB heated as this is what GM designed it for.
Steve
Steve
12-13-2018, 12:41 PM
#87
Only your theory there boss.
Funniest thing about dynos too; they tend to make the most power on the 2nd or 3rd pull when the engine has the most heat in it 😂.
Dont get mad that people think you’re an idiot. Just don’t give them a reason to believe so.
However, if someone wants to give me $10 for $.79 worth of hose clamp and barb fitting; I’ll gladly send one to your door. I heard it’s worth 10hp from Ecklers. Cheapest 10HP you’ll buy.
Unless you’re driving your car in the winter of course; where the temperature change from 80 to 30 just netted you @ 83 extra horsepower using the same math/logic 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Funniest thing about dynos too; they tend to make the most power on the 2nd or 3rd pull when the engine has the most heat in it 😂.
Dont get mad that people think you’re an idiot. Just don’t give them a reason to believe so.
However, if someone wants to give me $10 for $.79 worth of hose clamp and barb fitting; I’ll gladly send one to your door. I heard it’s worth 10hp from Ecklers. Cheapest 10HP you’ll buy.
Unless you’re driving your car in the winter of course; where the temperature change from 80 to 30 just netted you @ 83 extra horsepower using the same math/logic 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
12-13-2018, 01:38 PM
#88
Safety Car
Only your theory there boss.
Funniest thing about dynos too; they tend to make the most power on the 2nd or 3rd pull when the engine has the most heat in it 😂.
Dont get mad that people think you’re an idiot. Just don’t give them a reason to believe so.
However, if someone wants to give me $10 for $.79 worth of hose clamp and barb fitting; I’ll gladly send one to your door. I heard it’s worth 10hp from Ecklers. Cheapest 10HP you’ll buy.
Unless you’re driving your car in the winter of course; where the temperature change from 80 to 30 just netted you @ 83 extra horsepower using the same math/logic 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Lol
I lost track on how many times i never mentioned hp or tq gains
You crack me up
Last edited by My Vette Life; 12-13-2018 at 01:40 PM.
12-13-2018, 02:16 PM
#90
Burning Brakes
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