How boring is a GEEZER auto compared to a stick....
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MikeyMcFly (01-22-2019)
you cannot be for real....i feel sorry for you if you are serious...but reading the rest of your posts and need for attention, you just may be serious.... very sad
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01-20-2019, 08:48 AM
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What is so much different about them ? I talked to a Dr. who went from a C5 to 7 and he said he could not believe how much better the 7 was as a civilized car. In general I do not care for the way a 7 looks but have seen some that look great but they are way out of my price range and to complex for me, in other words to much of a bitch magnet....
01-20-2019, 11:28 AM
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01-20-2019, 08:34 PM
#247
I like my auto in my convertible. Yes, it's tuned and made a HUGGGGGGEEEEE difference. The main reason why I like it? Because it seems to **** off so many people who think manual is the ONLY way to have a Vette! 
OK, that last part was a lie. Yes, I wanted and would still like a manual (my next one will be, assuming all items are checked off too). This is my first Vette and I wanted my wife to drive it and enjoy it too. She doesn't drive manuals, and I wasn't about to have he learn on a car like this. Plus, this car was in great shape, decent mileage (low within reason), was a convertible (what I wanted, no compromise) and more importantly, the price was BETTER than any others I looked at. We all have different priorities when looking at anything. Some won't consider an auto, some won't consider a manual..... some won't consider xxx miles, some won't consider spending over xx amount, no matter the condition, some won't consider mods, some won't consider stock..... then there's colors... the list goes on and on and on and on (like this post). Point is, who gives a damn what anyone else likes or doesn't. Name calling and thumbing your nose at someone else's likes and dislikes proves one thing..... you're (general you, not specifically you Pounder) a douche. Now, if you're throwing stones at other Vette's and don't have one yourself..... well then, that's something special in and of itself.
OK, that last part was a lie. Yes, I wanted and would still like a manual (my next one will be, assuming all items are checked off too). This is my first Vette and I wanted my wife to drive it and enjoy it too. She doesn't drive manuals, and I wasn't about to have he learn on a car like this. Plus, this car was in great shape, decent mileage (low within reason), was a convertible (what I wanted, no compromise) and more importantly, the price was BETTER than any others I looked at. We all have different priorities when looking at anything. Some won't consider an auto, some won't consider a manual..... some won't consider xxx miles, some won't consider spending over xx amount, no matter the condition, some won't consider mods, some won't consider stock..... then there's colors... the list goes on and on and on and on (like this post). Point is, who gives a damn what anyone else likes or doesn't. Name calling and thumbing your nose at someone else's likes and dislikes proves one thing..... you're (general you, not specifically you Pounder) a douche. Now, if you're throwing stones at other Vette's and don't have one yourself..... well then, that's something special in and of itself.
01-20-2019, 08:54 PM
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Worth the Drive
When I decided to get a C5 I wanted a Torch red and an m6. It took be 15 months to find one within 500 miles of home. Finally found one 500 miles away. I was nervous about driving that far worrying that my definition of excellent shape was different than the sellers. When I got there it was in absolutely great shape and bought it. A week after I bought it one came up for sale just a few miles away from home also in great shape. Still I didn't regret making the trip. I'm a manual nut, I've had one since 1969. I use the car for fun, not transportation.
01-20-2019, 09:12 PM
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01-20-2019, 11:02 PM
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Safety Car
I sent my PCM to ECS for a mail order tune.
01-21-2019, 04:20 AM
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Talk about Hillary Clinton like that, why she would have been the finest president ever recorded in history.....
Talk about Hillary Clinton like that, why she would have been the finest president ever recorded in history.....
Originally Posted by [b
whipitnow][/b]
Whats so funny ?
Obama should have been vice pres with Bill and Chelsea as treasurer.... You know these people are strict constitutionalist and never break the law.
Whats so funny ?
Obama should have been vice pres with Bill and Chelsea as treasurer.... You know these people are strict constitutionalist and never break the law.
Originally Posted by [b
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Seriously, I hope you are kidding.
Seriously, I hope you are kidding.
I don't think he is kidding.....
01-21-2019, 07:55 AM
#253
When I decided to get a C5 I wanted a Torch red and an m6. It took be 15 months to find one within 500 miles of home. Finally found one 500 miles away. I was nervous about driving that far worrying that my definition of excellent shape was different than the sellers. When I got there it was in absolutely great shape and bought it. A week after I bought it one came up for sale just a few miles away from home also in great shape. Still I didn't regret making the trip. I'm a manual nut, I've had one since 1969. I use the car for fun, not transportation.
01-21-2019, 07:56 AM
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01-21-2019, 09:53 AM
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Drifting
01-21-2019, 10:39 AM
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Drifting
The amount of adjustable parameters & tweaks a tuner can do are really dependent on 2 things: what type of OEM software is controlling the TCM & their ability to "crack" it + the year/type of automatic transmission they're dealing with. Older model LSx cars are tuned via EFI live I believe & newer models w/ HP tuners (this goes for both engine & tranny tuning) - TBH most of the time a basic tune on a vehicle is MUCH more noticeable in terms of improved performance in an automatic car. This is because the factory "babies" they manner in which the tranny interfaces w/ the engine & how it reacts to throttle inputs given a certain RPM etc. in order to be conservative on 2 fronts: #1 avoiding warranty issues & ensuring the vehicle lives up to mechanical claims (like a 6L80E in a truck capable of towing 10k lbs for 100k miles) & #2 that people don't kill themselves (IE: the blue haired retiree putting his near 500 lb/ft TQ Denali pickup (or stingray) through the front of your local starbucks (don't laugh - it happens).
This is even more pertinent on drive by wire vehicles (vettes included) where there is no throttle cable present, the computer "feels" the throttle input & interprets the data opening/closing the TB & adding fuel based on pre-determined programming from the factory.
Some of things a tune will address: shift torque - the pressure/force w/ which the tranny will grab the next gear - higher shift torque equates to firmer/quicker shifts - this can be "uncomfortable" @ WOT for people who feel that a lexus or caddy "shifts like butter", Pulled Timing - this is something relevant to both engine & tranny tuning obviously, but it is most common for timing to get pulled in between shifts w/ auto vehicles - dropping the amount of power an engine could potentially put down & slowing the speed w/ which it can shift to the next gear + putting the engine in a less than ideal spot to maximize efficiency & power, another thing is dialing down or removing "torque mgmt" completely - the factory programming quite literally dials down the max amount of torque available to the wheels except under the most "perfect" & extreme circumstance.....I read on another GM performance blog that its essentially impossible to use all the power you paid for & is produced by the new 6.2 GM 1/2 tons due to all the electronic nannies & conservative tuning.
The shift points can also be addressed, many times on both manual & auto cars they're shifting when the engine is still building power & could still squeeze out another few hundred (or more) RPM w/o damaging the drivetrain whatsoever - this isn't a concern b/c a competant tuner is dialing in the optimal A/F ratio to enable higher RPM shift points. When & how the torque converter engages/locks up is also tunable.
To give a really good scenario of how significant a custom dyno tune can change a vehicles performance I had a G8 GT w/ 6.0 & 6L80E tranny I eventually did a bunch of bolt ons & a stall (that's a whole other convo but a tranny tune w/ a higher stall torque converter can REALLY wake things up w/o even touching motor or exhaust)- BUT there was a known TSB/warranty issue w/ these trannies exhibiting a "harsh/flare" 2-3 shift (sometimes the tranny would SLAM the gear or instead the revs would rise but wouldn't be engaging a gear for a few seconds & then slam it) - this turned out to be partly software induced - the factory tuning exacerbated a mechanical issue that had to do w/ clutch cover & ring seals being produced incorrectly, something bout the gear ring seals being inverted among other things - and while I ultimately had the mechanical portion of this issue addressed under warranty @ 103k miles (while I had a stall/headers/intake etc. - my dealer was nice/oblivious) the tune I had nearly ELIMINATED the problem all together.
Additionally, it felt like that car would just "consume" the next gear like a fiend snorting a line lol! At WOT w/ TC off it would spin/chirp the tires & get a lil sideways on the 1-2 AND 2-3 shift on dry pavement! You could "auto shift" it & would do exactly what you asked of it - & in order to limit any "jarring" or harsh engagement on manually selected downshifts I'd have to "blip" the throttle giving ever so slight amount of gas on the downshift to smooth the transition, part of the TQ mgmt issue- you get used to it & really livens up an automatic performance car (or any vehicle for that matter many guys tune their trucks & the new DI motors can make even more gains w/ a tune alone)
To be clear - I asked my tuner to put my car @ the most aggressive settings possible - full shift torque, no pulled timing, 0% torque mgmt - that's not for everyone & the great thing is you can get it adjusted to be to your liking.
All that being said, again, M6 or M7 is the only way to go in a vette IMO
01-21-2019, 12:03 PM
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01-21-2019, 12:45 PM
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If you want a stick, hold out for one. Even if you have to travel further to buy the right car, it's worth it. My first Corvette, a C3, was an automatic. So when I was shopping for a C5, a manual was my only non-negotiable option. It's my daily driver. And I have no regrets. The clutch pedal on a C5 is not that heavy. It's more fun to drive than an auto, and it's slightly faster.
02-13-2019, 07:49 PM
#259
I have succumbed to Geezerism, I bought a AUTO and I am glad I did. I am way to big of a goof to drive this car with a stick. On the way home I got caught in a rainstorm that was the worst I had been in years and it was rush hour and I soon realized the merits of a auto for me.
My legs and feet are way to big in this car to have to shift it manually, I will have to post some pictures. The only thing about the car that was what I was looking for was the top is black but I think the original owner has better taste than me because I think the car is great even though I settled but that has turned into love.....
My legs and feet are way to big in this car to have to shift it manually, I will have to post some pictures. The only thing about the car that was what I was looking for was the top is black but I think the original owner has better taste than me because I think the car is great even though I settled but that has turned into love.....
02-13-2019, 08:26 PM
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My C5 is a MN6. I used to it to commute in DC suburban traffic for years - no regrets. Like a shark among the minnows.
Our "other" car has a modern 8 speed auto, which is outstanding. No need to paddle shift it, although you can. No comparison at all to GM's sluggish 4 speeds in the C5. It's also near silent, ultra comfortable with excellent seats, has AWD and is a real pleasure to put the miles on. Anything over about a 100 miles and choosing it over the C5 is a no brainer.
Our "other" car has a modern 8 speed auto, which is outstanding. No need to paddle shift it, although you can. No comparison at all to GM's sluggish 4 speeds in the C5. It's also near silent, ultra comfortable with excellent seats, has AWD and is a real pleasure to put the miles on. Anything over about a 100 miles and choosing it over the C5 is a no brainer.