What's the pita/difficult part working on a C5?
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What's the pita/difficult part working on a C5?
Im looking to buy a C5 and wondering what's the pita/difficult part when working on the C5?
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C5s are mostly very easy to work on. The body panels and interior is all nuts/bolts/torx screws vs. the C7 which is snapped together trim clips and plastic that wears out a little every time you take it apart. If I had to pick something that was an "issue" it would be how involved a clutch job is given the driveline layout. You have to pull the entire rear assembly (torque tube, trans, rear, rear suspension) which makes the job fairly expensive labor wise. I've DIY'd a few and they're not fun.
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ArmchairArchitect (03-09-2019)
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Pulling motor/drivetain. Installing long tubes is kinda rough. Rear exhaust if you don't want to cut it is worth a couple curse words
Otherwise, its like working on a lower GMT800 Tahoe (of which I also own). Surprisingly large interior and engine bay.
The interior construction of the C5 is actually one of the better ones IMO because it really does pretty much all bolt together.
Otherwise, its like working on a lower GMT800 Tahoe (of which I also own). Surprisingly large interior and engine bay.
The interior construction of the C5 is actually one of the better ones IMO because it really does pretty much all bolt together.
#4
Catback is simple if you get it up high enough... easiest with a lift. Drop swaybar, remove catback, never cut.
#5
I meant over the diff. Maybe its because I was trying it with just a jack, but I was red in the face trying to get my OE Z06 mufflers off the car. Seemed like an extension cord or ratchet strap: just snagged on everything
#6
Yes you need to use a bunch of wood if using a jack only. Please tell me you didn't cut up OEM Titanium mufflers!
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ArmchairArchitect (03-09-2019)
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I didn't, I'm smarter than that! I got them out, and didn't ding the tips. I plan to clean and polish them, and reinstall them
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RapidC84B (03-06-2019)
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Melting Slicks
As stated, clutch is a major pita. Like most GM stuff, most years have the fuel filters in the tank - only the early cars have a conventional inline filter. The problem area you are most likely to hit is electrical/electronics, though drooping outside mirrors are a common "mechanical" problem. And unless the Rev C of the steering column lock fix has been done, or an aftermarket workaround installed, the steering wheel failing to unlock is a pretty common issue. And that is at heart a mechanical issue.
Biggest thing to watch is parts availability. The brake/handling control modules (EBCM) on early cars are no longer available - except at very high prices from wreckers, so best to get a late model if you can. But, even the newest C5 is 15 years old now, so parts availability will become an across the board issue over time.
Biggest thing to watch is parts availability. The brake/handling control modules (EBCM) on early cars are no longer available - except at very high prices from wreckers, so best to get a late model if you can. But, even the newest C5 is 15 years old now, so parts availability will become an across the board issue over time.
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The biggest problem with the C5 is it's actually worth working on. Where other cars wouldn't be worth a major repair, the C5 is. So, you get inspired to do bigger projects than you will on a Camry XLE.
On my last C5, I did a convertible top replacement, evaporator replacement, engine/trans/rear/TT/suspension replacement, and I'd place the evaporator at the top of the list for least desirable jobs. Suspension might have been more time and work, but somehow it seemed easier.
All in all, they're about the second nicest car for working on, second only to full on race cars where most of the ancillary crap is already missing.
On my last C5, I did a convertible top replacement, evaporator replacement, engine/trans/rear/TT/suspension replacement, and I'd place the evaporator at the top of the list for least desirable jobs. Suspension might have been more time and work, but somehow it seemed easier.
All in all, they're about the second nicest car for working on, second only to full on race cars where most of the ancillary crap is already missing.
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arthursc2 (03-06-2019)
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They are installed to stay there.
The bolts are one time use only (according to the book) and have loc tight on them.
I use a breaker bar and use the weight of the body to help snap them loose. Jack up the car install socket and breaker bar then lower car until the bolt breaks free.
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Overall, I think its not too difficult to work on..Been kinda easy for many things......But replacing the harmonic balancer is a bit of a pain due to the steering rack removal and the alt bracket is a a pain if your ABS unit is up front, but even those are still not difficult just a pain........Now if are talking very basic maintenance items like an oil change, well it could suck if you lowered you car even more then stock height. I use to hate doing oil changes but a 4 post lift makes it fun .......
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Honestly, the only pitfall I've really found is doing a Clutch or Trans Job on the C5. You have to pull the entire driveline. Other than that, it's a fairly easy car to work on.
Accessing the front of the motor is a gotcha also. There is ZERO clearance from the front of the crank pulley. You have to remove the steering rack in order to remove the pulley, and the steering rack removal is a bit of a PITA.
GOOD headers generally install fairly easily. Plug access is nice, valve covers are wide open. Rear of the intake manifold can be tricky but once you get the technique, it's easy as pie also.
Accessing the front of the motor is a gotcha also. There is ZERO clearance from the front of the crank pulley. You have to remove the steering rack in order to remove the pulley, and the steering rack removal is a bit of a PITA.
GOOD headers generally install fairly easily. Plug access is nice, valve covers are wide open. Rear of the intake manifold can be tricky but once you get the technique, it's easy as pie also.
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The hardest part of working on a C5 would be being old. other then that, one of the easiest cars for anyone with good hands and a logical mind and mechanical aptitude.
#17
Drifting
Had zero issue doing mine. Two foot breaker bar and they come off just like that. The whole "one time use, red loctite" thing is bullcrap; torque them to their specified 135 lb-ft or whatever it is and those bolts are _not_ moving anywhere. Really, the harder part was torquing them down to spec - on jack stands, it's sometimes hard to fit the torque wrench places it needs to go. Extensions and/or u-joints and/or having both deep and shallow sockets can make the job a lot easier for clearance and orientation, plus remember that you can push down in some cases and push up in other cases (like a bench press). If you're pushing up, whether to break loose or tighten, you can even use a jack to do it for you.
But honestly now I just have an impact wrench. DeWalt. About a $300 kit to get you started, if you go by ebay prices, and 700 lb-ft of nut-busting torque at the high end will make those bolts come out in a hurry. Any other major brand will do, just remember, if you're going battery - which I highly recommend - make sure you standardize on the newest, best battery system available. The modern stuff is excellent. The less modern stuff is okay. The less modern stuff than that seems to me to be bloody near useless. If you do get one, just make sure you have it set to the right direction -- ask me how bad I screwed up one time!!
But honestly now I just have an impact wrench. DeWalt. About a $300 kit to get you started, if you go by ebay prices, and 700 lb-ft of nut-busting torque at the high end will make those bolts come out in a hurry. Any other major brand will do, just remember, if you're going battery - which I highly recommend - make sure you standardize on the newest, best battery system available. The modern stuff is excellent. The less modern stuff is okay. The less modern stuff than that seems to me to be bloody near useless. If you do get one, just make sure you have it set to the right direction -- ask me how bad I screwed up one time!!
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#18
Drifting
Clutch seems to always be the most involved job. Typically most anything involving the drive line can be a superbly huge hassle. Remember the C5 is a rear transaxle design, so if you need to do any transmission or diff work you have to drop the whole rear sub frame, but at the same time you'd have to content with the torque tube, exhaust, etc. It can be painful without a good lift.
While not difficult per say the job most people have to deal with is harmonic balancers. They're pressed in from the factory and tend to see noticeable slippage even in cars that have sub 50K miles. Most people can do the job fairly easy but if you've never done it before you can cause some major headaches (such as not securing the steering wheel, removing the steering rack, and then inadvertently moving the steered portion of the rack itself which would cause the SWPS to have issues).
While not difficult per say the job most people have to deal with is harmonic balancers. They're pressed in from the factory and tend to see noticeable slippage even in cars that have sub 50K miles. Most people can do the job fairly easy but if you've never done it before you can cause some major headaches (such as not securing the steering wheel, removing the steering rack, and then inadvertently moving the steered portion of the rack itself which would cause the SWPS to have issues).
#19
Burning Brakes
Haven't done anything major myself on my 03 vert.
Changing the A/C belt was a royal pita. I got it done though.
Radiator hoses and coolant change would have been easy if the radiator had a decent petcock instead of a stupid designed one that I broke right off. They were available at the auto parts store though.
The other fluids and filters were not bad.
I put a passenger window regulator in and it wasn't hard.
I had the SWPS changed by my local mechanic and he said it was tough. The same mechanic swapped out the harmonic balancer but he's done that often.
I would have done those if I was 20 years younger and not so fat.
All in all the C5 with the automatic is not that hard to maintain.
Good luck!
Changing the A/C belt was a royal pita. I got it done though.
Radiator hoses and coolant change would have been easy if the radiator had a decent petcock instead of a stupid designed one that I broke right off. They were available at the auto parts store though.
The other fluids and filters were not bad.
I put a passenger window regulator in and it wasn't hard.
I had the SWPS changed by my local mechanic and he said it was tough. The same mechanic swapped out the harmonic balancer but he's done that often.
I would have done those if I was 20 years younger and not so fat.
All in all the C5 with the automatic is not that hard to maintain.
Good luck!
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Safety Car
but hey, some people would consider that a mod.