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Old 03-10-2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist
Put in the LMC5 yesterday. Didn't take but 15 minutes. Sure do appreciate these tech work arounds. I've also put in the skip-shift by-pass. These forums are a treasure!

P.S. It seems the corvette does not like dead batteries. A previous time after a dead battery was when the anti-lock failed and this time it caused the steering lock failure. Why can't they make more robust electronics??
I have a 2001 C5, manual transmission...and will be hopefully installing the LMC5 Tuesday with the help of a cousin. Did you also do the brown wire mod? I noticed it is recommended only if you get the message to pull the key or whatever. The directions said there is a diagram of where all the wires go...if you did the brown wire, was it easy to figure out?
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I couldn't figure out the brown wire mod. Hoping someone will post instructions "for dummies" - the ones with the package are confusing, I find. I installed the LMC5, anyways.


Originally Posted by Barry6547
I have a 2001 C5, manual transmission...and will be hopefully installing the LMC5 Tuesday with the help of a cousin. Did you also do the brown wire mod? I noticed it is recommended only if you get the message to pull the key or whatever. The directions said there is a diagram of where all the wires go...if you did the brown wire, was it easy to figure out?
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Originally Posted by Sustain26
I couldn't figure out the brown wire mod. Hoping someone will post instructions "for dummies" - the ones with the package are confusing, I find. I installed the LMC5, anyways.
If no one gets back with you before Monday, the Compliance Parts folks say
they will walk you through it. I imagine if you got their phone number they would probably do it via phone as well...but I image some of the folks here will get you through brown wire modification. Was the LMC5 pretty straightforward, or was there anything a little vague or confusing once you got into it? I sure don't want to screw things up when I do it.

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Thanks, Barry!

When doing the LMC5 mod, bring a light source if you're in a garage, read the instructions before starting to familiarize yourself - your body position will not allow you to study "at your leisure". Do not assume or double guess anything and take it slow! You can't go back on this.


Originally Posted by Barry6547
If no one gets back with you before Monday, the Compliance Parts folks say
they will walk you through it. I imagine if you got their phone number they would probably do it via phone as well...but I image some of the folks here will get you through brown wire modification. Was the LMC5 pretty straightforward, or was there anything a little vague or confusing once you got into it? I sure don't want to screw things up when I do it.

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I have a 2001 Z06 that is having an issue. I get the "pull key wait 10 seconds" every single time I insert the key. When I try to start it, it will fire and die after 2 seconds...We have replaced the K harness with the Doctor Don's CLB, replaced the ignition switch, key cylinder and relays by the BCM. We have even tried turning off the VTD temporarily to see if that would get it to start...no luck. I bought a new BCM to be programmed tomorrow. If the BCM isn't it, what else could it be? I forgot to mention, we have made sure the grounds are good too. Gas and matches are looking like the more intriguing option...
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Originally Posted by Banker Cat
I have a 2001 Z06 that is having an issue. I get the "pull key wait 10 seconds" every single time I insert the key. When I try to start it, it will fire and die after 2 seconds...We have replaced the K harness with the Doctor Don's CLB, replaced the ignition switch, key cylinder and relays by the BCM. We have even tried turning off the VTD temporarily to see if that would get it to start...no luck. I bought a new BCM to be programmed tomorrow. If the BCM isn't it, what else could it be? I forgot to mention, we have made sure the grounds are good too. Gas and matches are looking like the more intriguing option...
Did you do the LMC5 installation? Folks here swear by it. Since my 2001 C5 stick shift had the steering column lock issue resolved by the original owner when the dealership reprogrammed the pcm...but then everyone says that sets one up for possibly having an issue with the 2 mph fuel shutoff...which is apparently fixed with the LMC5 installation...and if the light comes on about pull key, wait 10 seconds, etc., then after the LMC5 installation one is supposed to do what is called the brown wire modification. My cousin and I are supposed to do the LMC5 Tuesday....but I am wondering a little since the car is driving fine...the steering column will never ever lock...but the fuel shutoff could be an issue in the future....but wondering if the LMC5 sets me up for a problem down the road....
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Originally Posted by Barry6547
Did you do the LMC5 installation? Folks here swear by it. Since my 2001 C5 stick shift had the steering column lock issue resolved by the original owner when the dealership reprogrammed the pcm...but then everyone says that sets one up for possibly having an issue with the 2 mph fuel shutoff...which is apparently fixed with the LMC5 installation...and if the light comes on about pull key, wait 10 seconds, etc., then after the LMC5 installation one is supposed to do what is called the brown wire modification. My cousin and I are supposed to do the LMC5 Tuesday....but I am wondering a little since the car is driving fine...the steering column will never ever lock...but the fuel shutoff could be an issue in the future....but wondering if the LMC5 sets me up for a problem down the road....
Ive already spoke to those guys. I didn't use their product, but I used another CLB similar to it (bought locally from a corvette World). They said they didn't think I'd benefit much from their product since what I have does the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Sustain26
I couldn't figure out the brown wire mod. Hoping someone will post instructions "for dummies" - the ones with the package are confusing, I find. I installed the LMC5, anyways.
So here's my question.....since you installed the LMC5 ....and then you were getting the "pull key, wait 10 second" message....so you were not able to figure out how to do the brown wire mod. thing....without the brn wire mod., is the car running ok....but just getting that message, or what? Am very curious as I have a minor case of the jitters as we are supposed to attempt the LMC5 install this week.

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Hello 8VetteZ,
In case you have covered the tuner option before, please review it for us. I think that's the sure fire (no pun) solution for the fuel cut off issue. But I need to find that teenager who can program my vcr!
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Originally Posted by Sustain26
I couldn't figure out the brown wire mod. Hoping someone will post instructions "for dummies" - the ones with the package are confusing, I find. I installed the LMC5, anyways.
The brown wire mod means you cut the brown wire on the LMC5 module and cap the ends. Then you insert the other wire into the last wire harness similar to the first two harness connections. It's across from the other connection and 1 space over. Just pay attention to the spacing in the instructions. If you still have questions this weekend I can take a picture for you but I work between now and then.
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Pardon my paranoia; I will search for the tuner option if it's available locally before going at it with wire cutters. Do we have a step-by-step procedure for changing the fuel cut off value and where to get the device? It might save me a lot of time and trouble.

I'm playing a hunch that the electric gremlins are more afraid of the software settings than anything else!


Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
Stored in the PCM is a binary number that represents the speed at which the PCM will cut off fuel when the BCM notofies the PCM to "enable fuel shutoff" due to a column lock issue that the BCM logic believes has occurred. THe GM Column Lock Recall service for manual trans cars set that value to 2 as in 3 MPH. A tuner with either EFI Live or HP Tuners tuning software can change the value. It is usually set to 200 or 255. This effectively bypasses the problem with the fuel shutoff problem that can strand a driver. Every thing works as normal except the PCM shuts off fuel at 200 or 255MPH rather than 2mph.

Only tools I know of that can set the number in question are HP Tuners or EFI Live tuning software................
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I am happy to report that my cousin and I installed the LMC5 this morning on my 2001 C5 manual transmission coupe. It took us about 30 minutes because we were not in a hurry and were just taking our time. The instructions were quite clear. Now I no longer have to worry about the dang 2 mph fuel shutoff issue. The folks that make and sell the LMC5 are ComplianceParts.com. They are located in California.
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Originally Posted by Sustain26
Pardon my paranoia; I will search for the tuner option if it's available locally before going at it with wire cutters. Do we have a step-by-step procedure for changing the fuel cut off value and where to get the device? It might save me a lot of time and trouble.

I'm playing a hunch that the electric gremlins are more afraid of the software settings than anything else!
Without the brown wire mod the car may still say "Pull Key, Wait 10 Sec" even though it doesn't shut off fuel. It gets really annoying fast.

The wire you're cutting is on the LMC5 itself and not on the car. They included a looped brown wire to be cut if needed. After cutting that wire you pull a wire from the connector similar to the other wires and replace it with the final wire on the LMC5. You just repeat the same wire replacing steps you did the first two times.

When I did my LMC5 I skipped that mod and the car ran fine but said pull key every few seconds. It got annoying fast and that afternoon I did the brown wire mod and all was right with the world. I did not have fuel cutoff as the car hasn't had the factory solution installed and is tuned.
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why all the complicated directions.. shame on GM for this..
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Would anyone advise against getting a generic $35 version of the bypass from ebay (see here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...bypass&_sop=15)

versus something like the LMC5?

Would like a response based on experience rather than "you get what you pay for". Eg. ease of installation, reliability, etc.

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I'm sure this has been asked, but this thread is 110 pages long

I just bought a 2004 MN6 convertible. I can turn the wheel all I want with the key out - the column never seems to lock. Do I still need to be worried about the column lock issue leaving me stranded somewhere? Has the car possibly already been fixed by a GM recall?
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You may still have a problem,but not with the column lock. When I bought my 2001 C5 a few months ago, the dealership had years ago reprogrammed and "fixed" the lock-up issue; however, in my case, and many others, this sets the car up to possibly some time in the future experience the 2 miles per hour shutoff. Unless someone has already done that, you or a knowledgable friend could install what's called the LMC5, which plugs in under the mat on the passenger side. If that is done, it is strongly recommended to go ahead and do what is called the brown wire modification at the same time....and all that information is in the with the LMC5 kit. You can Google it, and order online...don't remember ...but was inexpensive...25-40 dollars or so....it only takes about 30 minutes to do it all.

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I did some more reading. Does the fact that I can turn my wheel after removing the key from the ignition mean that my car was fitted with the small locking ring and the K-harness sometime after 2006?

If so, does that mean that it is physically impossible for the column to lock up on me but I might still wind up with the dreaded 2MPH limitation if the BCM gets confused?
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I don't know. According to the maintenance records passed along from the original owner of my 2001 C5, the car's PCM was reprogrammed by the dealership to address a steering lockup issue. That supposedly means the column lockup issue is gone, but the 2 mph shutoff issue is a possibility. My car is a 6 speed manual...and the manual transmission C5's were notorious for that problem...and the fix by the dealership is a red flag that the fuel shutoff could happen at any time because of the dealership's column fix. Now, apparently the original owner never had a problem with fuel shutoff, nor did I....but I was told by many at this forum that it could happen at any time....and then the car would have to be towed. It seems that the engine will start, but when applying the accelerator, it would shut off. So, upon advice from some the most knowledgable at this site I got the LMC5 kit and my cousin and I installed it....and also did what's called the brown wire modification at the same time. Now, the company that makes and sells the kit is called ComplianceParts.com. Now in the instructions they suggest that you not do the brown wire modification unless you have a problem when the LMC5 is installed. I know a guy who just did the LMC5 and not the brown wire mod....and every once in a while he would get an error message telling him to remove the key for a period of time....if he did not do so, the car would stall out....so most everyone here at this site recommends you do the brown wire modification at the same time so you don't have to revisit the area where you installed the LMC5. By the way, my steering wheel turns with the key removed. If I were you, I would install as mentioned above...one less thing to worry about over the long haul.
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This is an attempt to compile all the Column Lock Information into one place. If there are errors, please contact me so I can make corrections. With all the recalls, there is a lot of confusion, questions, anxiety, and threads. Hopefully this will be helpful to our forum readers.
  • GM installed a Steering Column Lock mechanism on all 1997 - 2004 manual (MN6) cars and on 1997 to 2000 automatic (A4) cars
  • There is a GM recall for this problem on affected models and years
  • It is one of the most problematic issues that we C5 owners deal with
  • It can happen to you if you have a pre-2001 A4 without the recall or CLB installed OR any year MN6 or Z06 car without a CLB installed. Age or mileage makes no difference.
  • Low battery voltage seems to aggravate and sometimes cause column lock failures

Q What is the symptom of failure?
A Your steering wheel will not unlock and the DIC will display an error message "Service Steering Column Lock". Your owner's manual will instruct you to have your vehicle towed to the nearest GM dealer for repair.

Q What exactly causes this failure?
A When you insert your key into the ignition and turn it to the ON position, the BCM (Body Control Module) sends a command to your Column Lock Motor to "unlock" and then checks a status line to ensure that the steering column is unlocked. If it gets the wrong status, it will display an error message as mentioned above. It can be caused by ECL (Electronic Column Lock) mechanism failure and occasionally by low battery voltage, which sometimes confuses the BCM.

Q Can anything be done to unlock the steering column once it has locked up?
A Sometimes; turn the ignition OFF and REMOVE the key. Shock your lock motor actuator assembly by jerking the steering wheel against the stops. Re-insert your key and try again. Also, if your battery voltage is low, charge your battery or replace it.

Q If my battery is discharged and I jump it to get the engine started, the alternator is now charging shouldn't the column unlock?
A NO; The whole unlock sequence occurs before you ever turn your key to start your engine. If the battery is too low, you will probably have trouble with your column lock. Several folks have replaced their battery and the column lock problem has never occurred since.

Q Does this problem affect both A4’s and MN6 vehicles?
A Yes; however if you have 2001 or newer A4 car, the ECL lock plate has been replaced.

Q What years are affected?
A Pre-2001 A4 cars and all MN6 or MN12(Z06) cars.

Q Is there any solution for this problem?
A Yes; have the recall done if you have an A4 car or install a Column Lock Bypass (CLB) on MN6 & MN12 cars BEFORE the problem occurs. Once it fails, you may not be able to fix it without GM repair.

Q Where can I purchase a CLB?
A They are available from several of our forum vendors such as:
Thunder Racing and Corvettes of Houston

Q How much does a CLB cost?
A Typically about $49.95.

Q Is a CLB difficult to install?
A No; very simple (less than an hour) by following instructions. See this link for help: http://97vette.com/howto/columnlock/index.html

Q Can I build my own?
A Yes; if you have soldering skills and $20 in parts, you can build your own in about 1 hour. See this link for info: http://shelor.net/Z/CorvetteForum/Cscokd/

Q Are there other alternatives?
A Yes; there is a GM "Harness K" GM part no. 89023816 (was 88952427), which GM installs as part of its recall; it costs ~ $85.50.


This harness is installed leaving the Column Lock Motor active. However the Lock Plate inside the steering column must be removed or replaced. If installing on a MN6/M12, do NOT connect up the column lock motor harness side (C207 female receptacle).

Q What exactly does the GM recall do?
A The following details were provided by forum member "TopCat" and should prove very helpful:

If your car has NOT been previously serviced under Customer Satisfaction Campaign 01044 or TSB 01-02-35-008, the GM recall outlines a 3-step process:
  1. Installation of wire/relay kit under the passenger footwell
  2. Re-program your PCM
  3. Jack up your front-end with your wheels off the ground to do a functional test with the Tech 2. If any scraping, clicking, etc. is "heard" or felt by the service technician during the functional test, then the locking plate, retaining ring, and nut are supposed to be replaced.
  4. If a CLB or a Harness K is found during this process (the recall specifically mentions this), it is supposed to be removed.

Here's a very informative link that describes the actual GM service instructions including electrical diagrams:

Chevy Dealer Service Bulletin


For MN6 & MN12 cars only:

1997
Reprogram Only

1998 built through 5/25/98
Reprogram Only

1998 built on or after 5/28/98 (CSC 01044 was performed)
Reprogram Only

1998 built on or after 5/28/98 (CSC 01044 was not performed)
Install wire kit (part#88952428) and reprogram

1999-2000 and CSC 01044 or TSC 01--02-36-008 was performed
Reprogram Only

1999-2000 and CSC 01044 or TSC 01--02-36-008 was not performed
Install wire kit (part#88952428) and reprogram

2001-2004
Reprogram Only


For A4 cars only:

1997-2000 A4's
Install wire kit (Harness K), remove and discard lock plate, install the "cam orientation plate" where the lock plate previously resided. No PCM flash required.

2001-2004 A4's
No Change Required - they didn't install the Electric Column Lock (ECL) on those years, in the U.S., after experiencing so many problems.

Q I have an A4 car; what should I do if I get a recall notice from GM?
A This is a personal decision. My advice is to have the recall implemented. They will service your car per the above recall discussion. After the recall is implemented on A4's, you should be able to turn your steering wheel with the key removed. The only anti-theft mechanism now will be your A4 transmission will remain locked until the key is ON.

Q I have a MN6/M12 car, what will the recall do?
A IF you have a MN6/M12 car, the recall does NOT disable your column lock motor. It simply re-programs your PCM to guarantee your fuel is shut off at speeds above 2 mph so you cannot drive your car with the steering column locked. The column lock failure can still occur at any time and you will most likely be stranded somewhere needing to be towed to the nearest dealer for repair when it occurs.

Q If I have a MN6/M12 car, what should I do?
A Again this is a personal decision. Advice is to install a CLB and ignore the recall. It does nothing to prevent the problem from occurring.

Q If I have a MN6/M12 car, will the GM recall re-program my PCM and affect my tuning?
A Yes; See description of recall instruction above. There are several horror stories related to this. Most folks with tunes do NOT allow the recall to be implemented.

Q Exactly how does the steering column lock mechanism work?
A The steering column lock unit consists of a 12VDC motor, a worm drive gear, a locking pin, and a micro switch which is activated by the lock pin screwing down thru a lock plate with holes or slots in it to lock your steering column.

Q Can the steering lock up while driving my car?
A There have been a few rumors of this. The only way this is possible is if the BCM should fail sending a "lock" command to your lock motor. There are some fears that the lock motor can partially retract but not all the way so that the lock pin could engage the locking plate later while driving. This is highly unlikely due to the mechanical micro-switch, which detects when the lock pin is completely retracted before sending the "unlock" signal back to the BCM.

The worm gear on the motor turns a gear on a threaded shaft that "jacks" the pin assembly in the direction determined by the motor. link was lost

[I]The second picture shows the pin/jack assembly, laid out
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Finally, the last photo shows the micro-switch that is either opened or closed by the body of the pin assembly:
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Q If I install a CLB, can the steering column lock up accidentally from vibration or shock?
A Highly unlikely; the lock pin is driven by a worm gear drive on the motor which can not move without the motor turning as well.

Q What exactly does the CLB consist of?
A A small module that plugs (in place of your Column Lock Motor) into C207 (male pin side) consisting of a 4-wire harness to your BCM. The CLB consists of a 12VDC-latching relay. Connections are:
  • Purple wire: from BCM = UNLOCK
  • Orange Wire: from BCM = LOCK
  • Black Wire: Ground
  • Green Wire: to BCM = OPEN is locked; CLOSED (grounded) is unlocked. This status line is pulled up to +12V thru a resistor inside the BCM module.

Q I still get the "Pull Key and Wait 10 Seconds" message and "Service Steering Column Lock" message? What do I do now?

A1 Sometimes the latching relay in the CLB can get out of sync sending the wrong status to your BCM. This has happened to a few folks even with the CLB installed. The CLB latching relay gets out of sync with the BCM possibly due to shock, vibration or relay contact bounce during switching which confused the BCM. The CLB does not physically know which state it should be in; it only switches from one state to the other when it receives a signal from the BCM. The BCM can be reset by pulling Fuse 23 and waiting 10 seconds.

A2 Check to make sure Fuse 25 in passenger footwell is good.

A3 Verify the black wire to your ECL or CLB is grounded (zero ohms resistance).

A5 Verify the green wire to the ECL or CLB is shorted to ground while in the "UNLOCKED" position and pulled up to +12Vdc while in the "LOCKED" position.

A6 If you get the "Pull Key and Wait 10 Seconds" message but no "Service Column Lock" message, it can sometimes be a symptom of your security system and related to your key pellet.

Q What can happen then if my CLB gets out of sync?
A Your DIC will display "Service Steering Column Lock" error message; your steering wheel will not be locked; if you own a 1997-2000 C5 that has not had the recall implemented; you should be able to drive your car normally. You must reset your DIC each time you start your car if you are annoyed with the error message. IF you have a newer C5 (2001-2004) OR you've had the recall implemented, you will NOT be able to drive your car because the fuel will be shut off at speeds above 2 mph.

Q When I purchase the CLB, what is the extra harness with the cigarette lighter plug used for?
A This is simply to help you unlock your steering column with the ignition key removed. It is used one-time only just before you install your CLB. It connects +12V to the purple wire on the Column Lock Motor to unlock your steering column. Another method is to turn on your ignition key, verify that your steering wheel is unlocked, then disconnect the wire harness to your lock motor. You will need to reset your BCM after doing this to clear the error that this will create.

Q I had the recall done and now after a few weeks my car is getting the dreaded “Service Column Lock” error message and I can’t drive it because the fuel is shut off. What should I do?
A You have the following choices: 1) return to the dealer and make them fix it; 2) A4 cars - replace or remove the Harness "K" assembly; 3) remove the recall mods and restore to original; 4)MN6/M12 cars only - go into your passenger footwell, locate the relay added by the recall mod, remove the relay altogether and bypass the circuit as described below (my choice).

Q What happens when I install an aftermarket CLB and it doesn’t work?
A You probably have the GM recall mod (mentioned above) installed on your car already. This could happen by GM installing the mod at the factory, or the recall mod was already completed by you or a previous owner.

Q How can I tell if I’ve had the recall mod?
A1 If you have an A4 car, can you turn your steering wheel freely while the ignition key is removed? If so, you probably DO have the recall mod.
A2 For all cars, you can inspect your wiring by removing your knee bolster under the driver's side. Inspect your column lock harness. If the four wires in your ECL harness are Orange, Purple, Green, Black on both sides of the connector, then you DO NOT have the recall mod installed. If you have White, Purple, Green, Black on either side of the connector, then you DO have the recall mod.

Q Why is there sometimes a conflict between the recall mod and my CLB?
A For MN6 and M12 cars, the recall mod added a second relay (different from the Harness K which is the GM version of the CLB) between your BCM and your ECL in series with the orange (LOCK) wire. This is to safeguard against a spurious glitch from ever locking your ECL while you are driving (clearly GM is paranoid now). The problem is that this second relay is causing a timing glitch, which resets your CLB immediately after it switches states. The reason it works with your stock ECL is because your ECL motor (being mechanical and slow compared to solid-state logic), is immune to these timing glitches whereas the latching relay inside your CLB sees these glitches and reacts to them.

Q For MN6/M12 cars what can I do if this situation occurs?
A Go into your passenger footwell. Remove your BCM and locate the recall mod relay, remove it and add a jumper wire between the white wire (pin 30) and the orange wire (pin 87). Note that there are two orange wires, so make sure you get the right one!

Q Can CLB modules fail?
A Yes; we have occasionally heard of a CLB failure.

Q If my CLB fails, will it damage my BCM?
A Possibly, but extremely doubtful; there have been some claims of this happening, however after personally researching it now for the last year and talking with many forum members, I have yet to see where a BCM actually experienced electrical damage. GM put fuses into their designs to protect the BCM from short circuits and failures.

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Hello, I'm a new member and just trying to navigate the sight. A GM dealer just installed the above mentioned wiring harness after my steering column locked and car was towed. After paying over $700.00 for the installation of the harness my display that shows exterior temp etc. no longer displays information. Would the loss of the display be connected to this harness? It seems every time I leave the dealer something else happens within days. Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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