Cam and Head Package?
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[This might help a lot, I see you are getting a lot of input AWESOME the folks on this site KICK ***!! I am in disbelief at time over the willingness to help.
I had a 5.3 liter Stage 2.3 upgrade with the valvetrain that will support a cam with a .660 lift. a 233-239 duration cam with a 112 lobe sep. and a .595/.603 lift ( bad *** runble) full long tube no cat B7B exhaust. I just bought a FAST 92 with a 92 Throttle body they told me they would need to install these items approx $200 as long as you bought th coolant bypass and the wireing adapter. They will tune it like this a highway tune (with a good tuner no prob) $250.
Now they wil replace the Cltch/Flywheel/Throw out bearing/ Piolot bearing/ Pressure plate.
Now I need to take it pretty easy for about 400mi. to break the clutch in... all of this with me supplying the 2,900.00 dollars in the parts needed, they told be the Clutch assembly swap would be approx 1350.00,,,,yeah, OUCH! You dont own a Mustang anymore....LOL... COMPLETE WITH SATISFACTION!! In the end they told me I would have no less that 450rwhp. Not bad for a stock LS1
I had a 5.3 liter Stage 2.3 upgrade with the valvetrain that will support a cam with a .660 lift. a 233-239 duration cam with a 112 lobe sep. and a .595/.603 lift ( bad *** runble) full long tube no cat B7B exhaust. I just bought a FAST 92 with a 92 Throttle body they told me they would need to install these items approx $200 as long as you bought th coolant bypass and the wireing adapter. They will tune it like this a highway tune (with a good tuner no prob) $250.
Now they wil replace the Cltch/Flywheel/Throw out bearing/ Piolot bearing/ Pressure plate.
Now I need to take it pretty easy for about 400mi. to break the clutch in... all of this with me supplying the 2,900.00 dollars in the parts needed, they told be the Clutch assembly swap would be approx 1350.00,,,,yeah, OUCH! You dont own a Mustang anymore....LOL... COMPLETE WITH SATISFACTION!! In the end they told me I would have no less that 450rwhp. Not bad for a stock LS1
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Thanks for all the responses. I think for now I will just go with NA and skip the FI for now if I feel the need for more then 460ish at the wheels I will move to a FI system 
.
I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
. I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
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i recently got an 01 z06 which has 4.00 stroker kit with flat piston. the has a comp cam 605/609 112 (part number 54-448-11)
i want to change the cam on the car because its too agressive for a daily driver. im loking for a cam that i can still get some power out of the car but at the same time i can drive the car and enjoy it.. with the current cam the car was making 542rwhp and 496 torque. i do not mind loosing a couple of hp as long as the car drives good. im also planing on adding a 200 wet shot of nitrous. what do u guys recomend me to put on the Z. the main thing is to have a good gas milage and at the same time some extra power compare to the factory cam so i think that i will just need a liltle bit more than the 02-04 cam.
also if u know any good shop in the miami area let me know ..
thanks
i want to change the cam on the car because its too agressive for a daily driver. im loking for a cam that i can still get some power out of the car but at the same time i can drive the car and enjoy it.. with the current cam the car was making 542rwhp and 496 torque. i do not mind loosing a couple of hp as long as the car drives good. im also planing on adding a 200 wet shot of nitrous. what do u guys recomend me to put on the Z. the main thing is to have a good gas milage and at the same time some extra power compare to the factory cam so i think that i will just need a liltle bit more than the 02-04 cam.
also if u know any good shop in the miami area let me know ..
thanks
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Thanks for all the responses. I think for now I will just go with NA and skip the FI for now if I feel the need for more then 460ish at the wheels I will move to a FI system .
I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
. I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
You may want to add an underdrive pulley to your list. Pushrods. 42# would be fine for a H/C setup, even 38s would be plenty. The stock rockers will be fine. If anything you can have Harland Sharp rebuild your stock rockers if you want.
Get a remote bleeder for your clutch also while everything is apart. Makes cleaning the clutch fluid a snap.
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Thanks for all the responses. I think for now I will just go with NA and skip the FI for now if I feel the need for more then 460ish at the wheels I will move to a FI system .
I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
. I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
How soon are you looking to purchase? If you need me to put together a package for you i will. Lancaster is only an hour or so from me.
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Thanks for all the responses. I think for now I will just go with NA and skip the FI for now if I feel the need for more then 460ish at the wheels I will move to a FI system .
I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
. I talked with my neighbor which might be helping with this major install as its becoming more and more in depth. He's done a few engine builds in his time. He said to make sure that the transmission can support the added hp. If I am correct the transmission that I have is a Borg-Warner T-56 transmission which is capable of running up to 600+ hp. If I am wrong please let me know.
So here is the list so far that I have built up to...
- Heads
- Cams
- Headers
- Intake Manifold
- Throttle Body
- 42# injectors... or 60#?
- High Performance Clutch 650+ hp rated
- Rockers ? (suggested by my neighbor)
- Timing setup? (just an idea)
Anything I am missing?
no offense but if your looking for a big hp engine, to do them right it is not cheap. and have a professional engine builder do the build up. YES projects are fun, but do take time.
have someone like TSP, HKE Racing engines or Lingenfelter build your engine. Then you and your friend do the install.
For a $3,000 budget ( if I read that correctly) I would not open the engine up IF YOU WANT RELIABILITY. LTs, X-pipe free flowing exhaust, CAI ( Fast92/92 for an extra $1200 )and a great tune.
Plus that can be installed in a weekend.
Last edited by AU N EGL; Aug 13, 2009 at 07:57 AM.
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Too give you an idea.
Here is a Lingenfelter 460 hp package
430 BHP / 400 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Engine removal, inspection and disassembly
- Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LS1 cylinder heads
- Competition Cams valve springs
- 2.02" / 1.57" Stainless steel intake/exhaust valves
- Three angle valve job, set correct spring tensions & heights
- Port matched LS1 intake manifold
- Ported and polished throttle body
- Lingenfelter designed Competion Cams hydraulic roller camshaft
- Modified oil pump assembly
- 160 degree thermostat
- Professional installation, testing and pcm tuning
- All necessary gaskets, fluids & bolts
- Corsa stainless steel exhaust 4 - tip touring system
- Blackwing washable air inlet system
- Chassis dyno testing after installation
- Lingenfelter 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
1997-2004 Package Price $8,995.00
Required additions
1999 - 2000 fuel injectors $200.00
1997 - 2000 ZO6 intake manifold $600.00
then again for $10.6K there is an 403ci LS2 create motor at 525 bhp which would be about 460 rwhp.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...egory_Code=C56
Here is a Lingenfelter 460 hp package
430 BHP / 400 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Engine removal, inspection and disassembly
- Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LS1 cylinder heads
- Competition Cams valve springs
- 2.02" / 1.57" Stainless steel intake/exhaust valves
- Three angle valve job, set correct spring tensions & heights
- Port matched LS1 intake manifold
- Ported and polished throttle body
- Lingenfelter designed Competion Cams hydraulic roller camshaft
- Modified oil pump assembly
- 160 degree thermostat
- Professional installation, testing and pcm tuning
- All necessary gaskets, fluids & bolts
- Corsa stainless steel exhaust 4 - tip touring system
- Blackwing washable air inlet system
- Chassis dyno testing after installation
- Lingenfelter 3 year / 36,000 mile warranty
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
1997-2004 Package Price $8,995.00
Required additions
1999 - 2000 fuel injectors $200.00
1997 - 2000 ZO6 intake manifold $600.00
then again for $10.6K there is an 403ci LS2 create motor at 525 bhp which would be about 460 rwhp.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...egory_Code=C56
Last edited by AU N EGL; Aug 13, 2009 at 08:09 AM.
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or since forum sponsor Frans96ss ( posted above) is near you. They can help.
Big HP numbers are SEXY AS HELL. But does not mean reliable.
I have been looking to build or have built a new engine too.
But my LS6,
with a 224/224 581/581 112 cam,
stock 243 heads with comp 918 springs
Stock LS6 intake with TPIS 76mm tb,
my own CAI
stock injectors- changed two years ago.
pp oil pump with 3qt accu-sump and oil cooler
TPIS LTs Random tech high flow cats and straight pipes
puts out about 430-425 rwhp and 410 rwtq
with 22,000 hard 3000 to reline miles
Stock clutch, trans and diff - Trans and diff have coolers attached.
Really should have put in a better clutch and light wt flywheel - but didnt
just keeps beating the chit out of bigger hp number engines.
Big HP numbers are SEXY AS HELL. But does not mean reliable.
I have been looking to build or have built a new engine too.
But my LS6,
with a 224/224 581/581 112 cam,
stock 243 heads with comp 918 springs
Stock LS6 intake with TPIS 76mm tb,
my own CAI
stock injectors- changed two years ago.
pp oil pump with 3qt accu-sump and oil cooler
TPIS LTs Random tech high flow cats and straight pipes
puts out about 430-425 rwhp and 410 rwtq
with 22,000 hard 3000 to reline miles
Stock clutch, trans and diff - Trans and diff have coolers attached.
Really should have put in a better clutch and light wt flywheel - but didnt
just keeps beating the chit out of bigger hp number engines.
Last edited by AU N EGL; Aug 13, 2009 at 08:46 AM.
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Lingenfelter makes great engines no doubt but I really want to work on my own car
Reality has sunk in and now I am hoping to get at least 460-470 rwhp with the setup. My budget has increased to around 5k-6k now so I think I can get those numbers and still have a reliable engine afterwords. I will be using the car for daily driving.
Frans96ss this will be a project that I will start to undertake over this winter (in the next 2-3 months) buying parts along the way when they are on sale or I find a good deal.
nickolbag what underdrive pulley would you recommend?
Reality has sunk in and now I am hoping to get at least 460-470 rwhp with the setup. My budget has increased to around 5k-6k now so I think I can get those numbers and still have a reliable engine afterwords. I will be using the car for daily driving.
Frans96ss this will be a project that I will start to undertake over this winter (in the next 2-3 months) buying parts along the way when they are on sale or I find a good deal.
nickolbag what underdrive pulley would you recommend?
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Understandable.
for relativity I would strongly suggest that you keep cam lift to no more then .600.
Have seen lots and lots, more then a dozen engines go boom this past two years. not counting LS7s all have had valve lift OVER .600 did not matter what springs ppl used either. and guys tried to do it on the cheap
Good Luck
for relativity I would strongly suggest that you keep cam lift to no more then .600.
Have seen lots and lots, more then a dozen engines go boom this past two years. not counting LS7s all have had valve lift OVER .600 did not matter what springs ppl used either. and guys tried to do it on the cheap
Good Luck
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If I'm not mistaken the cam that I like is less then that correct? I'm not sure which lift you are referring too. I believe the max lift on this cam is no more then .588.
http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1092&sb=2
BTW: Is this cam not aggressive enough for 460-470 rwhp?
http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1092&sb=2
BTW: Is this cam not aggressive enough for 460-470 rwhp?
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If I'm not mistaken the cam that I like is less then that correct? I'm not sure which lift you are referring too. I believe the max lift on this cam is no more then .588.
http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1092&sb=2
BTW: Is this cam not aggressive enough for 460-470 rwhp?
http://www.compcams.com/Cam_Specs/Ca...csid=1092&sb=2
BTW: Is this cam not aggressive enough for 460-470 rwhp?
That is a very good cam, Slightly larger then one I use now. I think 460 is pushing it with that cam. HOWEVER, 460 is just a number. Once that is installed it will give you lots of SOTP acceleration AND big smiles
I think 440 rwhp is more realistic with that cam.
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What cam would you suggest then that would give me the number I want from comp cams?
Also I was looking at some heads and I found this one at a decent price but I wanted some input on the specs of it.
http://hinsonsupercars.com/p-789-pat...assembled.aspx
The AFR heads are just sooooooo pricey. If getting a cheaper head will not adversely affect the total output then I would like to go with a less expensive head. If it will then I will suck it up and buy AFR
Also I was looking at some heads and I found this one at a decent price but I wanted some input on the specs of it.
http://hinsonsupercars.com/p-789-pat...assembled.aspx
The AFR heads are just sooooooo pricey. If getting a cheaper head will not adversely affect the total output then I would like to go with a less expensive head. If it will then I will suck it up and buy AFR
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those heads will "Based on other modifications, gains of up to 40 rwhp can be expected"
that is 40 hp more. or about 390 with a good cam.
ie those heads are not going to get you to that number of 460.
if you really want tht 460 number then AFR 205 heads or Trick flow 215 heads and then that cam will get you there.
but cheaper heads DO EFFECT the outcome. the 5,3 heads will not get you there.
seen three engines built with 5.3 heads. Not sure if the builders got much more then they aready had with 243 heads.
I will dig up some head flow numbers for you. ( I do not sell product so I am not product bias, just like to see great engines, not guys spend loads of money only to rebuild 12 months latter )
if you want to stick with the PP heads, which are good heads i would use these
http://hinsonsupercars.com/p-573-pat...assembled.aspx
that is 40 hp more. or about 390 with a good cam.
ie those heads are not going to get you to that number of 460.
if you really want tht 460 number then AFR 205 heads or Trick flow 215 heads and then that cam will get you there.
but cheaper heads DO EFFECT the outcome. the 5,3 heads will not get you there.
seen three engines built with 5.3 heads. Not sure if the builders got much more then they aready had with 243 heads.
I will dig up some head flow numbers for you. ( I do not sell product so I am not product bias, just like to see great engines, not guys spend loads of money only to rebuild 12 months latter )
if you want to stick with the PP heads, which are good heads i would use these
http://hinsonsupercars.com/p-573-pat...assembled.aspx
Last edited by AU N EGL; Aug 13, 2009 at 01:18 PM.
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I'm over the HP level that you want, and my cam is only 228/232@112+5 and .600/.600 lift. Of course I used Trickflow heads, which are as expensive as AFRs, and require roller rockers, but you really should have those anyway. JMHO, but to achieve higher NA power levels, you're better starting with the very best heads. I did all the work myself w/o a lift, and there were times of frustration, but I'd do it all over again. You're lucky that you live in an area that has easy access to quality tuners, which is a critical part of your build equation. One thing I'd do different, is choose a slightly larger cam with a higher LSA, just to ease the unburnt gasoline stink somewhat.
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You can't go wrong with AFR or Trickflow. Both are top notch heads that will make big power. Please contact me for special pricing and if you have any questions.
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