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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul 75 L82
^^ TDC for exhaust stroke. With the crank in this position you would perform step 9 from the FSM
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Thanks for all the advice, pictures, etc. guys! Everything is buttoned up and seems to be fine. Went together pretty well and I couldn't have done it without the forum.
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 05:12 AM
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Had some difficulty doing this recently myself. I found by rotating the engine, I could tell when individual valves were closed, and just torqued those rocker arms to 22 ft lbs at that time, regardless of wherever the crank/cam was. If I could push on the push-rod side and get a little play, then the valve was closed or close to closed, no?
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Originally Posted by dart.deanda
Had some difficulty doing this recently myself. I found by rotating the engine, I could tell when individual valves were closed, and just torqued those rocker arms to 22 ft lbs at that time, regardless of wherever the crank/cam was. If I could push on the push-rod side and get a little play, then the valve was closed or close to closed, no?
You should be OK. From what I understand, the only real issue with torqueing the rocker pivot bolt with the valves not closed, is you're torqueing into an aluminum thread, against a valve spring with pressure on it, versus no pressure of a closed valve.
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
You should be OK. From what I understand, the only real issue with torqueing the rocker pivot bolt with the valves not closed, is you're torqueing into an aluminum thread, against a valve spring with pressure on it, versus no pressure of a closed valve.
You won't have correct preload if you're torquing your rockers without the lifter being on the base circle.
How much difference this would make unless your new cam has a decent amount of lift, I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by dblerman
You won't have correct preload if you're torquing your rockers without the lifter being on the base circle.
How much difference this would make unless your new cam has a decent amount of lift, I have no idea.
Why not? In the OE configuration, GM sets the preload by the pushrod length, since the OE valvetrain is not adjustable. 22 ft/lbs is nothing more than the proper torque for the rocker trunnion bolt....
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
Why not? In the OE configuration, GM sets the preload by the pushrod length, since the OE valvetrain is not adjustable. 22 ft/lbs is nothing more than the proper torque for the rocker trunnion bolt....
True. I was thinking that if you're torquing against the stiffer spring and hydraulic lifters you would reach 22 ft/lbs before you would if the lifter had been on the base circle, and possibly not have the rocker seated fully on the pedestal? I honestly don't know, since I followed the FSM procedure.
I'd be curious to see how far off the torque would be between base circle and partial to full lift.
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Needs to be on the base circle of the cam. Any other method is incorrect.
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 08:44 PM
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I believe the reason for the procedure is avoiding piston to valve contact. If a piston is at tdc at the end of the exhaust stroke, both valves are open. How much will vary with lobe profiles. If a lifter is pumped up with oil and the rocker is torqued, the valve could hit the piston before the lifter bleeds down.
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