C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Can someone please explain this? - FAIL

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-04-2017, 07:32 PM
  #1  
esch
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
esch's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2000
Location: Superior CO
Posts: 61
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default Can someone please explain this? - FAIL

Well, I pulled this off the car today. Yeah, this is the way I found it. I have never even heard of a failure like this before.

To be clear, the shaft spins quite freely, not at all seized up.








About 70K miles on this pump. Has anybody seen this before? BTW- No water leaking at all.

Last edited by esch; 03-04-2017 at 07:35 PM.
Old 03-04-2017, 08:54 PM
  #2  
Patches
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Patches's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Lake Elsinore, CA
Posts: 23,283
Received 889 Likes on 587 Posts

Default

I have heard of a couple of instances of this type of failure on forced induction applications where a lot of tension is required on the belt - one of the reasons why I bought this billet-pullied, high-capacity water pump.




Last edited by Patches; 03-04-2017 at 08:56 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Pounder (03-05-2017)
Old 03-04-2017, 10:52 PM
  #3  
Jeff T.
Race Director
 
Jeff T.'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington Hts, IL
Posts: 15,900
Received 1,090 Likes on 797 Posts
St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23-'24


Default

That looks amazing!
The following users liked this post:
Patches (03-06-2017)
Old 03-05-2017, 12:03 AM
  #4  
Vetteman Jack
Administrator

Support Corvetteforum!
 
Vetteman Jack's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: In a parallel universe. Currently own 2014 Stingray Coupe.
Posts: 342,953
Received 19,293 Likes on 13,966 Posts
C7 of the Year - Modified Finalist 2021
MO Events Coordinator
St. Jude Co-Organizer
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-
'20-'21-'22-'23-'24
NCM Sinkhole Donor
CI 5, 8 & 11 Veteran


Default

That is one great looking water pump.
The following users liked this post:
SG Lou (03-05-2017)
Old 03-05-2017, 12:51 AM
  #5  
Andrew
Drifting
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Jefferson City MO
Posts: 1,593
Received 52 Likes on 46 Posts

Default

Yes, have seen this on several truck "LS" engines, where the pump pulley was not centered or balanced. They usually let go quickly though, no where near 70k miles. Also, the pumps that I have seen fail were all aftermarket.
Old 03-05-2017, 08:22 AM
  #6  
vettenuts
Team Owner
 
vettenuts's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 1999
Location: At the beach in little Rhody
Posts: 22,024
Received 186 Likes on 169 Posts

Default

How was the harmonic damper? If that was wobbling it might have fatigued the water pump pulley.

Patches, the pump is beautiful. Does it use the original thermostat?
The following users liked this post:
SG Lou (03-05-2017)
Old 03-05-2017, 10:51 AM
  #7  
Pounder
1/4 mile/AutoX
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Pounder's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2014
Location: Buffalo Texas
Posts: 11,276
Received 2,081 Likes on 1,634 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=Patches;1594227326]I have heard of a couple of instances of this type of failure on forced induction applications where a lot of tension is required on the belt - one of the reasons why I bought this billet-pullied, high-capacity water pump.


I get so sick of you posting these incredible pictures of your gorgeous car and parts !!!! have a little sympathy for us mere mortals !!
The following users liked this post:
Sam Handwich (03-06-2017)
Old 03-05-2017, 01:35 PM
  #8  
Patches
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Patches's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Lake Elsinore, CA
Posts: 23,283
Received 889 Likes on 587 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by vettenuts
How was the harmonic damper? If that was wobbling it might have fatigued the water pump pulley.

Patches, the pump is beautiful. Does it use the original thermostat?
Yep. Description below:

PRWs high flow aluminum water pumps are engineered to deliver an increased water flow. These super velocity pumps significantly improve cooling for all street, high performance and racing applications. PRW High Performance Aluminum Water Pumps provide increased coolant flow, block pressure, and balanced delivery. Each pump features low pressure-injected, aluminum alloy pump bodies that are complemented by a cold-rolled carbon steel impeller of a closed-captured multi-van axial design with double-welded front and rear faceplates.This helps minimize engine hot spots at any speed.

Equalized water flow distribution and pressure balanced water passages minimize internal engine hot-spots making these pumps an excellent alternative for not only racers, but also trucks, towing, and motorhome applications. Cruisers and hot rodders will appreciate the improved cooling at low speeds and the availability of polished aluminum water pump bodies for nearly every application.

Benefits/Characteristics
Bearing steel alloy 3/4 shafts
Road Race endorsed above 7,000 RPM
Low pressure-injected aluminum alloy housing
Front and rear roller/ball bearings to minimize harmonics
Cold-rolled carbon steel impeller of a closed-captured multi-van axial design
Double-welded front and rear impeller faceplates to minimize cavitation and maximize flow
The following users liked this post:
Pounder (03-05-2017)
Old 03-06-2017, 02:32 PM
  #9  
Sam Handwich
Burning Brakes
 
Sam Handwich's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,020
Received 108 Likes on 87 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Patches
I have heard of a couple of instances of this type of failure on forced induction applications where a lot of tension is required on the belt - one of the reasons why I bought this billet-pullied, high-capacity water pump.



Very nice. I do like getting the good stuff. Sort of a reward to myself for supplying the labor.

I will add this to my Corvette "lust list"


Last edited by Sam Handwich; 03-06-2017 at 02:33 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Patches (03-06-2017)
Old 03-06-2017, 02:48 PM
  #10  
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor

Support Corvetteforum!
 
Bill Curlee's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Anthony TX
Posts: 32,736
Received 2,180 Likes on 1,583 Posts
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

PATCHES

When can we eat LUNCH on your engine?? That's AMAZING!

VERY NICE!

Bill
The following 2 users liked this post by Bill Curlee:
Patches (03-06-2017), Smoken1 (03-06-2017)
Old 03-06-2017, 03:49 PM
  #11  
Smoken1
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Smoken1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,617
Received 971 Likes on 783 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23


Default

Originally Posted by Patches
I have heard of a couple of instances of this type of failure on forced induction applications where a lot of tension is required on the belt - one of the reasons why I bought this billet-pullied, high-capacity water pump.



Happen to have the Part #?
Old 03-06-2017, 04:12 PM
  #12  
Patches
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Patches's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Lake Elsinore, CA
Posts: 23,283
Received 889 Likes on 587 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Smoken1
Happen to have the Part #?
These can be found with better pricing at the various sites such as Jegs. They come in various finishes and pricing is based on what combo you choose. Here's basically the model I ordered.

PRW 1434628 - GM, LS Gen III IV, 1997-2004 Corvette Avanti II, polished, Black alum pulley

Old 03-06-2017, 04:25 PM
  #13  
Smoken1
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Smoken1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,617
Received 971 Likes on 783 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23


Default

Thanks
Summit and I have become good friends lately, Lol
Old 03-06-2017, 04:46 PM
  #14  
Smoken1
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Smoken1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,617
Received 971 Likes on 783 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23


Default

BTW, is the pulley wide enuf to fit an 8 rib belt?
Old 03-06-2017, 04:54 PM
  #15  
Patches
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Patches's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Lake Elsinore, CA
Posts: 23,283
Received 889 Likes on 587 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Smoken1
BTW, is the pulley wide enuf to fit an 8 rib belt?
That's what I'm running so, yes.
The following users liked this post:
Smoken1 (03-06-2017)
Old 04-16-2017, 02:28 PM
  #16  
esch
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
esch's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2000
Location: Superior CO
Posts: 61
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

OK, follow up:

You'll note in the picture above the amount of oil all over the water pump. This was due to a crank seal leak so it was just time that I pulled the balancer off and replace that seal. - First off - OMG! getting the steering rack out back in again is a serious PITA.

Once I got the balancer off I think I see a possible/probable reason for the pump failure. I think 'Vettenuts' may win the prize for the best answer. The balancer was a mess! Huge chunks, entire sections of rubber were missing from the the balancer and I suspect that was the root cause. I'm sure there was some level of warp-age.

This is a Procharger equipped motor so my guess is that I had a bad combination of power and broke.

I have replaced the seal now, installed an Innovators West 10% over balancer, cleaned up the motor from most of the splattered oil (will still need a good steam clean) and I have the thing pretty much back together. I did go with stock WP again though I'm jealous of that pump Patches has. Hell, I'm jealous of that whole motor, dude that engine is AWESOME!.

So as long as I've gotten that seal in correctly I should be good to go (I've never done a crank seal before, I hope I've gotten it right).

Once I get it running again I will post a final result. Thanks all.

Last edited by esch; 04-16-2017 at 10:20 PM.
Old 04-16-2017, 07:22 PM
  #17  
oneandgone
Burning Brakes
 
oneandgone's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Philo IL
Posts: 837
Received 98 Likes on 79 Posts

Default

Glad to hear you have it about ready to go again. FYI after reading this thread I started researching that water pump and was able to buy one on amazon for $160 shipped. It has the same pulley, but the housing is raw instead of polished. It was the only one they showed to be in stock and since purchasing it the site now says that it is currently unavailable. Not sure if there will be more to be had at that price or not. I'll update once it arrives if you're interested.

Patches, did that pump include all the necessary gaskets and seals?

Last edited by oneandgone; 04-16-2017 at 08:19 PM.

Get notified of new replies

To Can someone please explain this? - FAIL

Old 04-17-2017, 11:00 AM
  #18  
Smoken1
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Smoken1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,617
Received 971 Likes on 783 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23


Default

Yes mine came with both gaskets
Old 04-17-2017, 12:58 PM
  #19  
oneandgone
Burning Brakes
 
oneandgone's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Philo IL
Posts: 837
Received 98 Likes on 79 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Smoken1
Yes mine came with both gaskets
Well poop. lol I called Jegs and they said no gaskets so I ordered them. Oh well. Thanks!
Old 04-17-2017, 01:18 PM
  #20  
Smoken1
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Smoken1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,617
Received 971 Likes on 783 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23


Default

A spare set is always good incase you ever remove it again... I also have a spare set, lol


Quick Reply: Can someone please explain this? - FAIL



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:51 AM.