Cam Only Suggestions? Not after PEAK numbers... Please read before responding
#1
Cam Only Suggestions? Not after PEAK numbers... Please read before responding
This may be a little different of a post than you'd be use to probably...
Right now, I have LS7 clutch setup, B&B catback and Vararam Intake on the way for my 02 C5Z which I bought pretty much stock a couple months ago. I will be ordering Long tubes and an X pipe in a few weeks as well as money becomes available.
I am looking for a cam suggestion right now with the understanding that I will be going with TSP CNC P&P 243 castings and a FAST 92 intake a little further down the road and that at least for now, there may be a little sacrifice to what I am looking for.
I am absolutely NOT trying to break any horsepower records. I know that making the combo work efficiently is key. Whatever numbers it ends up with in the end, I don't care. I do care however, about midrange power and torque. I want a cam that's very responsive in the midrange to give a nice even power and torque curve consistently across the board.
The main purpose of the car is AutoX and Road Course with some 1/2 mile usage and street usage in there as well. It's not a race car but it's not a street car. It's kind of just a fun toy.
I've done a bunch of looking around and just can't seem to find anyone that's had the same goals as me. Everyone seems to just want the most power without looking at where that power is made and how much of that power is usable.
I guess the best way to put it is I want the most USABLE power and torque.
I'll keep searching, but any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
-sp
Right now, I have LS7 clutch setup, B&B catback and Vararam Intake on the way for my 02 C5Z which I bought pretty much stock a couple months ago. I will be ordering Long tubes and an X pipe in a few weeks as well as money becomes available.
I am looking for a cam suggestion right now with the understanding that I will be going with TSP CNC P&P 243 castings and a FAST 92 intake a little further down the road and that at least for now, there may be a little sacrifice to what I am looking for.
I am absolutely NOT trying to break any horsepower records. I know that making the combo work efficiently is key. Whatever numbers it ends up with in the end, I don't care. I do care however, about midrange power and torque. I want a cam that's very responsive in the midrange to give a nice even power and torque curve consistently across the board.
The main purpose of the car is AutoX and Road Course with some 1/2 mile usage and street usage in there as well. It's not a race car but it's not a street car. It's kind of just a fun toy.
I've done a bunch of looking around and just can't seem to find anyone that's had the same goals as me. Everyone seems to just want the most power without looking at where that power is made and how much of that power is usable.
I guess the best way to put it is I want the most USABLE power and torque.
I'll keep searching, but any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
-sp
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slow_pokeC5 (08-24-2017)
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Ed Curtis's Streetsweeper TQ or Streetsweet HT.
^^ you can guess that the TQ stands for Torque, and HT stands for High Torque. Both are known to make power everywhere. The TQ is a bit milder which might be better for autocross...
You can go to Tony Mamo, and a few others for sure for a customer grind, but also keep in mind there are lots of great off the shelf cams.
EPS 222/226 or 226/230 are ones to look at also.
^^ you can guess that the TQ stands for Torque, and HT stands for High Torque. Both are known to make power everywhere. The TQ is a bit milder which might be better for autocross...
You can go to Tony Mamo, and a few others for sure for a customer grind, but also keep in mind there are lots of great off the shelf cams.
EPS 222/226 or 226/230 are ones to look at also.
Last edited by Roddy13; 08-23-2017 at 04:53 PM.
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slow_pokeC5 (08-24-2017)
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I've spent a large part of today comparing some things I've found as well as talking to a few people.
I still have yet to hear back from Tony Mamo but I am currently looking into a few different cams.
The Tick cam is a little bigger, but I think at the same time that cam may help some with the 1/2 mile stuff that I plan to do in the near future.
I am leaning most towards the StreetSweeper HT, but still just waiting to hear back from Tony as well as dig through some more info.
I still welcome any opinions and suggestions or if anyone has any of these cams in their car, I would live to hear first hand experience.
I still have yet to hear back from Tony Mamo but I am currently looking into a few different cams.
- Vengeance Racing VRX4 Camshaft- 228/230 .588/.592 112 +4 LSA
- Texas Speed 228R 228/228 .600/.600 111 LSA
- Ed Curtis StreetSweeper-HT 228/232 .612-.600 111 LSA
- Tick TorqueMAX Stage 2 Camshaft 227/235 .618/.605 110+3 LSA
The Tick cam is a little bigger, but I think at the same time that cam may help some with the 1/2 mile stuff that I plan to do in the near future.
I am leaning most towards the StreetSweeper HT, but still just waiting to hear back from Tony as well as dig through some more info.
I still welcome any opinions and suggestions or if anyone has any of these cams in their car, I would live to hear first hand experience.
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Team Owner
I would also add to your criteria the lobe that is used for each grind. I have a cam with an XER lobe, but now there are much gentler lobes that produce similar power levels and are much easier on the valve train.
#7
Hmmm that is something I honestly never considered. Honestly don't really know the difference. Back to the googles!
#8
Melting Slicks
About 5 years ago, I did my first round of mods. Saw this on youtube and Blair was kind enough to send my the specs of his cam. Very much in the range of cams you're considering. It was a Lingenfelter cam. I used this and it was great all the way thru the rpm range.
Here's the specs of the cam:
Here's the specs of the cam:
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Roddy13 (08-28-2017)
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your line of thinking is right try getting Tony on the phone you dont need anything real rumpity to achieve your goals.
x2 on a lobe that lives awhile and is stable at higher rpm that super fast ramp thing imo is not worth it.
x2 on a lobe that lives awhile and is stable at higher rpm that super fast ramp thing imo is not worth it.
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After a ton of reading and looking around this weekend, as well as an email exchange with Tony Mamo, I think I have settled on an EPS 226/234 .604"/.604" 113+2 for right now.
Down the road, I would like to go much bigger with a full setup from Mamo, but talking to him made me realize it's just not feasible for me at this very moment. In the next 6-8 months I plan a move to FL, new home purchase and a few other changes in life, so I think keeping the car mild and still fun right now will be the goal.
I have found that this cam has the exact idle that I love, and also seems to have a ton of power and torque under the curve which is exactly what I am looking for. Along with that, from what I can find, the power and torque peak numbers are much closer to each other than other options I have come across.
If anyone else has this cam I'd love to hear what you think.
Down the road, I would like to go much bigger with a full setup from Mamo, but talking to him made me realize it's just not feasible for me at this very moment. In the next 6-8 months I plan a move to FL, new home purchase and a few other changes in life, so I think keeping the car mild and still fun right now will be the goal.
I have found that this cam has the exact idle that I love, and also seems to have a ton of power and torque under the curve which is exactly what I am looking for. Along with that, from what I can find, the power and torque peak numbers are much closer to each other than other options I have come across.
If anyone else has this cam I'd love to hear what you think.
#11
Team Owner
After a ton of reading and looking around this weekend, as well as an email exchange with Tony Mamo, I think I have settled on an EPS 226/234 .604"/.604" 113+2 for right now.
Down the road, I would like to go much bigger with a full setup from Mamo, but talking to him made me realize it's just not feasible for me at this very moment. In the next 6-8 months I plan a move to FL, new home purchase and a few other changes in life, so I think keeping the car mild and still fun right now will be the goal.
I have found that this cam has the exact idle that I love, and also seems to have a ton of power and torque under the curve which is exactly what I am looking for. Along with that, from what I can find, the power and torque peak numbers are much closer to each other than other options I have come across.
If anyone else has this cam I'd love to hear what you think.
Down the road, I would like to go much bigger with a full setup from Mamo, but talking to him made me realize it's just not feasible for me at this very moment. In the next 6-8 months I plan a move to FL, new home purchase and a few other changes in life, so I think keeping the car mild and still fun right now will be the goal.
I have found that this cam has the exact idle that I love, and also seems to have a ton of power and torque under the curve which is exactly what I am looking for. Along with that, from what I can find, the power and torque peak numbers are much closer to each other than other options I have come across.
If anyone else has this cam I'd love to hear what you think.
Last edited by 93Polo; 08-28-2017 at 11:45 AM.
#12
What kind of modifications need to be made for the 11/32 pushrods?
#14
Good choice. How's your clutch? Something to consider...
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Team Owner
#16
Yes there are a lot of technical guys there, and a lot more people doing builds or that have built their cars up it seems. I've been sourcing my choices and info for a cam from LS1 tech also.
Last edited by Roddy13; 08-28-2017 at 11:55 AM.
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#19
Before I bought my Z I almost bought an F body from there... The desire for a Z was just too much though lol
#20
Team Owner
In my opinion you are in the ball park with the cams you are looking at in trading off peak # for a broad tq curve. A good friend has the Titan4 with stock 243s and gears in his FRC and a few HPDEs. He loves it and stepped down from a larger cam to the Titan to get a broader curve. I liked my Futral 228/230 a decade ago, very strong torque #s
Last edited by 93Polo; 08-28-2017 at 11:20 PM.