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Old 08-09-2017, 11:56 AM   #21
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At the end of the day...Its a Ford...After owning 5 Mustangs, the best being a 78 Mustang II, the new Mustang will eventually do what every other Ford product does...it will start by nickel and diming you to death and then require major repairs...I use to be nothing but a blue oval man...5 mustangs was only part of it as I owned many other models of Ford's...I would choose a 75 Corvette with 100,000 miles over a new Ford Mustang GT...
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At the end of the day...Its a Ford...After owning 5 Mustangs, the best being a 78 Mustang II, the new Mustang will eventually do what every other Ford product does...it will start by nickel and diming you to death and then require major repairs...I use to be nothing but a blue oval man...5 mustangs was only part of it as I owned many other models of Ford's...I would choose a 75 Corvette with 100,000 miles over a new Ford Mustang GT...
Not sure when the last time you owned a Ford was, but Fords of today are just as reliable as Hondas and Toyotas. I agree they had some quality issues in the past, especially pre-90s.

I've owned my 94 Mustang Cobra for 10+ years as a primary driver and it's been nothing short of reliable (knock on wood). My 89 Mustang GT I used to own, not so much.

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Wait a garsh darn minute there! You're saying that next years mustang can beat a two generation old corvette to 60MPH?! And there are other cars that exist which cost more and the mustang beats those to 60 as well?! STOP THE PRESSES!!!! I'll bet it can even hold more occupants than a C5Z also. Curated content post about OP's topic incoming! Wonder if anyone has alerted the Washington Post or USA Today about this.


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At the end of the day...Its a Ford...After owning 5 Mustangs, the best being a 78 Mustang II, the new Mustang will eventually do what every other Ford product does...it will start by nickel and diming you to death and then require major repairs...I use to be nothing but a blue oval man...5 mustangs was only part of it as I owned many other models of Ford's...I would choose a 75 Corvette with 100,000 miles over a new Ford Mustang GT...
i don't think I would choose a 75 corvette with 100,000 miles over a Ford probe.
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At the end of the day...Its a Ford...After owning 5 Mustangs, the best being a 78 Mustang II, the new Mustang will eventually do what every other Ford product does...it will start by nickel and diming you to death and then require major repairs...I use to be nothing but a blue oval man...5 mustangs was only part of it as I owned many other models of Ford's...I would choose a 75 Corvette with 100,000 miles over a new Ford Mustang GT...
........... not sure that is saying much. I'd buy that '75 over any new Corvette too if conservation of cash is the only priority.

Cars cost money.......the only difference between them is how much over any given period of time.

Any new car that is mass produced (corvette and mustang certainly "tick" the mass produced box with a "yes").......depreciates at an alarming rate that would make any '75 in decent shape look like the smart play from a $ perspective.....especially if the car won't be anything more than a sunny day driver.
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I actually considered a 2 year old 5.0 when I bought my z06. I did really like how it drove, but it was nothing compared the c5z. Sadly, I still think I would rather a terminator than a new mustang GT
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I actually considered a 2 year old 5.0 when I bought my z06. I did really like how it drove, but it was nothing compared the c5z. Sadly, I still think I would rather a terminator than a new mustang GT
And low mile 2003/2004 Terminators are killing our C5Zs in value. You can't find one below the upper 20s these days. I tend to agree with you.
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New Stangs are a great platform. That Coyote motor is quite impressive.
That being said, the C5Z ran great 1/4 mile passes and fantastic at Limerock.
BTW- What are the 1/4 mile stats for this new Stang?
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New Stangs are a great platform. That Coyote motor is quite impressive.
That being said, the C5Z ran great 1/4 mile passes and fantastic at Limerock.
BTW- What are the 1/4 mile stats for this new Stang?
It's going to have a multi geared auto transmission and a crap load of computer help to produce a quicker 0-60.......... I suppose that means it's going to be more consistent and faster than in the past but at some point it's almost cheating isn't it?

What in the world ever happened to the idea of driver skill?

It seems like each year technology is responsible for more of the gain in all these cars 0-60.

The 1/4 mile time seems like less of a measure now that it isn't something to look at as Driver Controlled.

The way a car drives and feels, over-all, in the real world...... still comes down to how well it handles it's power with ME at the wheel.

A simple one dimensional measure of standing start completely controlled by a high tech computer and auto transmission and the car headed down the length of a drag-strip in a straight line tells me almost NOTHING about how I might prefer one car vs another in the real world of corners, traffic, passing on the high way.

Launches this controlled might make for a real drag strip killer vs. older cars with similar power to weight ratios........but......it doesn't tell me nearly enough to make a comparison to a car with similar power to weight that may be slower in the 1/4 mile because as driver I can't match a computer controlling a 10 speed auto from 0-60mph with anything close to consistency.
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It's going to have a multi geared auto transmission and a crap load of computer help to produce a quicker 0-60.......... I suppose that means it's going to be more consistent and faster than in the past but at some point it's almost cheating isn't it?

What in the world ever happened to the idea of driver skill?

It seems like each year technology is responsible for more of the gain in all these cars 0-60.

The 1/4 mile time seems like less of a measure now that it isn't something to look at as Driver Controlled.

The way a car drives and feels, over-all, in the real world...... still comes down to how well it handles it's power with ME at the wheel.

A simple one dimensional measure of standing start completely controlled by a high tech computer and auto transmission and the car headed down the length of a drag-strip in a straight line tells me almost NOTHING about how I might prefer one car vs another in the real world of corners, traffic, passing on the high way.

Launches this controlled might make for a real drag strip killer vs. older cars with similar power to weight ratios........but......it doesn't tell me nearly enough to make a comparison to a car with similar power to weight that may be slower in the 1/4 mile because as driver I can't match a computer controlling a 10 speed auto from 0-60mph with anything close to consistency.
It isn't cheating to develop new technologies to make cars faster without having to add more power, but it sure isn't as fun as really having to work with the car to make it move.

And as far as using performance on paper to decide on what car to buy, you're completely right, its stupid. I thought I would love the Golf R a few years back. On paper it looked really cool. After driving one, I would have chosen a GTI over it.
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It's going to have a multi geared auto transmission and a crap load of computer help to produce a quicker 0-60.......... I suppose that means it's going to be more consistent and faster than in the past but at some point it's almost cheating isn't it?

What in the world ever happened to the idea of driver skill?

It seems like each year technology is responsible for more of the gain in all these cars 0-60.

The 1/4 mile time seems like less of a measure now that it isn't something to look at as Driver Controlled.

The way a car drives and feels, over-all, in the real world...... still comes down to how well it handles it's power with ME at the wheel.

A simple one dimensional measure of standing start completely controlled by a high tech computer and auto transmission and the car headed down the length of a drag-strip in a straight line tells me almost NOTHING about how I might prefer one car vs another in the real world of corners, traffic, passing on the high way.

Launches this controlled might make for a real drag strip killer vs. older cars with similar power to weight ratios........but......it doesn't tell me nearly enough to make a comparison to a car with similar power to weight that may be slower in the 1/4 mile because as driver I can't match a computer controlling a 10 speed auto from 0-60mph with anything close to consistency.
I agree by and large with your statements; however, it is still one of the viable tests that we can compare cars. My prowess has for the most part drag racing. Having said that, a road course is a great deal more fun and requires a different set of skills and attributes from the car. I felt more in tune with road in the C5Z over the C6Z as far as feedback. As for an automatic, they are becoming more difficult to compete with. I much prefer a stick over any slush box. I was inquiring for stats on the new Stang to see how it would fair against the much older C5Z. My guess is that a well driven C5Z will still out perform the Stang everywhere.
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The majority of people out there who'd buy a NEW 2018 Mustang GT wouldn't consider a Corvette DEEP into it's need for replacement parts and just about a full decade out of warranty.

You may not see much difference and find reason to consider one car vs the other for pure performance reasons.........but no way can you convince me that the over-whelming majority of people would actually consider a new car an actual comparison for purchase against a car just about 15 years old.

It's an apples to oranges comparison for most buyers.

Very few people would call this a comparison for purchase they'd make.

More likely the older Corvette is a purchase made by the buyer who wants only a Corvette and isn't even going to consider a Mustang......chances are really good that he or she can't actually afford a newer Corvette........and they are willing to take on the potential for repairs and problems in an older car.

The New Mustang is likely going to be considered by someone who can't justify a New Corvette for it's price tag attached or it's lack of a back seat. New cars simply cost more........a lot more when you consider everything from massive depreciation to taxes and registration and insurance costs........but they make better reliable, fully warrantied daily drivers.....especially for the person who can't or doesn't want the head-aches that comes with a 15 year old car's need for upkeep and replacement of worn, tired pieces.

A 15 year old Z06 might be a great 3rd car in the garage for sunny day driving............but the new Mustang is without doubt the better choice as driver to get you to work and around town when you can't really handle the aggravations of reliability and repair issues,

There is enough difference here that if you can actually see two cars that match up well for comparison........... I think you're in a seriously small group of potential buyers of eithr car
I dunno, I had a really new Coyote Mustang and went to a C5Z. It did some things ok, but the on paper stats don't tell the whole story. The Z06 drives and feels much better than the Mustang. I did not have the latest generation, but at the time I had it my Mustang was only 1 year old so it was almost brand new and had around 20k miles on it and was bone stock. The interior was nicer, but it's 10 years newer (plus I had the premium which had the nicer aluminum dash panel among other things) so that's a given.

I don't think it's correct to assume buyers of C5Z's couldn't afford newer ones. I could have bought a C7 (Not a Z06 or Grand Sport), but I looked at the performance numbers and the old C5Z is basically as fast as a plain C7. You just give up the nice modern interior, which I don't care as much about (at least not enough to spend $25-30k more to get). C5Z's are the most reliable C5's because they do away with most of the goofy stuff that breaks on these cars like those stupid adjustable shocks, and no stupid TPMS sensors. And due to being '01-04 they don't have the unreplaceable EBCM module, nor any of the stupid issues the '97-'00s do (which are the bulk of C5 issues).

I think if the backseat is a big deal most will probably avoid coupes in general. Consider we live in a time where people look for any excuse to buy an SUV, so people sure aren't going to squeeze into the backseat on a coupe. It's mostly used for throwing some extra stuff in the car (that's what I used the backseat for on my Mustang). I don't have to drive every day, but I've been taking my Z06 almost every time I do and letting my rainy day/winter time vehicle sit. Most C5's live a pretty sheltered life and have very robust drivetrains so I have no idea what reliability issues you think would make them so untrustworthy. I'd drive my Z06 cross country right now if I had the inclination, with no real worries that it would fail me. Even the abused Z06 I looked at before I bought mine which had 115k miles on it and stuff like the HUD broken, whistling on the highway from crappy window seal, and some body damage here and there - the shop that inspected it said it was good to go minus the aforementioned things which they pointed out and that the tires had about 45% life left.

The Z06 turns on in away that Coyote Mustangs don't. Plus those Mustangs have a kinda crappy engine note. Very intake-y. Their exhaust systems all tend to give them this note, I dunno how to describe it in text kind of a Blalalalalalalala sound. IMO the older 4.6 sounded much better.
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I dunno, I had a really new Coyote Mustang and went to a C5Z. It did some things ok, but the on paper stats don't tell the whole story. The Z06 drives and feels much better than the Mustang. I did not have the latest generation, but at the time I had it my Mustang was only 1 year old so it was almost brand new and had around 20k miles on it and was bone stock. The interior was nicer, but it's 10 years newer (plus I had the premium which had the nicer aluminum dash panel among other things) so that's a given.

I don't think it's correct to assume buyers of C5Z's couldn't afford newer ones. I could have bought a C7 (Not a Z06 or Grand Sport), but I looked at the performance numbers and the old C5Z is basically as fast as a plain C7. You just give up the nice modern interior, which I don't care as much about (at least not enough to spend $25-30k more to get). C5Z's are the most reliable C5's because they do away with most of the goofy stuff that breaks on these cars like those stupid adjustable shocks, and no stupid TPMS sensors. And due to being '01-04 they don't have the unreplaceable EBCM module, nor any of the stupid issues the '97-'00s do (which are the bulk of C5 issues).

I think if the backseat is a big deal most will probably avoid coupes in general. Consider we live in a time where people look for any excuse to buy an SUV, so people sure aren't going to squeeze into the backseat on a coupe. It's mostly used for throwing some extra stuff in the car (that's what I used the backseat for on my Mustang). I don't have to drive every day, but I've been taking my Z06 almost every time I do and letting my rainy day/winter time vehicle sit. Most C5's live a pretty sheltered life and have very robust drivetrains so I have no idea what reliability issues you think would make them so untrustworthy. I'd drive my Z06 cross country right now if I had the inclination, with no real worries that it would fail me. Even the abused Z06 I looked at before I bought mine which had 115k miles on it and stuff like the HUD broken, whistling on the highway from crappy window seal, and some body damage here and there - the shop that inspected it said it was good to go minus the aforementioned things which they pointed out and that the tires had about 45% life left.

The Z06 turns on in away that Coyote Mustangs don't. Plus those Mustangs have a kinda crappy engine note. Very intake-y. Their exhaust systems all tend to give them this note, I dunno how to describe it in text kind of a Blalalalalalalala sound. IMO the older 4.6 sounded much better.
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I actually agree with you on the 2/3/4 valve 4.6's sounding better than the coyote. I do like how many coyotes sound, but it does seem like a lot more just noise than exhaust tone.
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I actually agree with you on the 2/3/4 valve 4.6's sounding better than the coyote. I do like how many coyotes sound, but it does seem like a lot more just noise than exhaust tone.
I was a member of one of the Mustang forums when I had it, many of those guys had the same thoughts that the old Modular sounded better. A lot were trying to emulate the exhaust sound of the older ones. I test drove a 2010 (I went to look at a 2010 Camaro SS and realized how bad that visibility was after driving it), so it still had the 4.6 in it. Was kinda fun to be that prototypical Mustang driver that I love to hate these days making a bunch of noise, and some guy in a Miata gave me a dirty look since I was running through the gears and then getting off the throttle near him. Of course as with many things, people learn to like a sound when it does the other things they want.

I wouldn't mind a Golf R as my alternate car when not driving the Z06, but I really don't care for the sound of a four cylinder...I don't get how those guys who buy Focus ST/RS, GTI/Golf R, etc. do it. The sound IMO is part of what makes any performance car fun to drive. I'd take a slower car like a base Cayman with a great sounding exhaust over a faster but worse sounding four cylinder. The DSG is hard to beat for how fast it is though, and I kind of like the obnoxious sound they can make when they use launch control...
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