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Old 07-01-2005, 10:44 AM
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Took my car in because the check engine light came on. Service manager called me back and said the problem was a blown fuse because of the ship shift eliminator I installed. Anyone else have this problem???
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Never heard of that one! Did you just put the CAGS in?
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Took my car in because the check engine light came on. Service manager called me back and said the problem was a blown fuse because of the ship shift eliminator I installed. Anyone else have this problem???
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Old 07-01-2005, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by babymaker
Took my car in because the check engine light came on. Service manager called me back and said the problem was a blown fuse because of the ship shift eliminator I installed. Anyone else have this problem???
Did he charge you? Say anything about warranty?
Old 07-01-2005, 11:39 AM
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The service guy was pretty cool. He said that there were several C5s with CAGS he never saw problem. He said it might be different with the C6. I'm just going to leave it off and have the 1st - 4th removed with a tune. No warranty issues..... They really didn't make a big deal about it - no charge.
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Originally Posted by Hoonose
Never heard of that one! Did you just put the CAGS in?
It actually happened about a week after the CAGS install...
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Originally Posted by babymaker
It actually happened about a week after the CAGS install...
I guess it's possible the service technician is BS'in you. He gave you a better/cooler answer than 'Dunno!' Those check engine lights come and go, and he found nothing, or had no other explanation.
Did he say what fuse blew?
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Originally Posted by Hoonose
I guess it's possible the service technician is BS'in you. He gave you a better/cooler answer than 'Dunno!' Those check engine lights come and go, and he found nothing, or had no other explanation.
Did he say what fuse blew?
No real explanation.... I'll probe more when I pick my car up in a few minutes... Anything else you guys want me to ask?
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In the latest issue of Corvette magazine, which just came yesterday, in the Letters to the editor section,a writer with a 2004 Corvette got a check engine message after installing CAGS skip shift. It burned out a resistor in the harness plug that fools the computer into thinking CAGS is still connected. He attributed the problem to staying in 1st gear too long because he lives on a long dirt road. Apparently the resistor watts are insufficient for sustained use but are fine under normal situations.
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I put mine on with 100 miles and now at 13,000 and no problems.
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Originally Posted by babymaker
Took my car in because the check engine light came on. Service manager called me back and said the problem was a blown fuse because of the ship shift eliminator I installed. Anyone else have this problem???
Yup, last weekend in fact, made the dealer all upset when I asked them to disarm GAGS since it was as dumb as it was useless in saving fuel.

I had the Mid-America Version which was a replacement on the West Coast Corvettes Version that didn't entirely block GAGS. The Mid-America Version worked for a while, but GAGS was trying to block 2nd gear after a short time.
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I have installed the CAGS eliminator in the last 4 Corvettes I have owned, and have never had an issue. This is the first time since 1998 (when I started driving Corvettes) that I have heard of something like that happening.

Freak occurrence. I'd put another one in.
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Originally Posted by AutoCutter
...I had the Mid-America Version which was a replacement on the West Coast Corvettes Version that didn't entirely block GAGS. The Mid-America Version worked for a while, but GAGS was trying to block 2nd gear after a short time.
Judging from photos of skip shift eliminators, there are two versions of this device: (1) One type appears to consist of two connector ends that are shipped made up into a single unit with no visible wiring, and (2) Another type that has two connector ends assembled onto a pair of visible wires.

I understand that "Type (1)" is installed by removing the harness completely from the transmission, and plugging the transmission connector and the harness end with the two connector ends that make up the vendor-supplied "eliminator". The disconnected harness is secured out of harms way with a wire tie. Since the harness remains physically removed from the transmission, it is impossible for CAGS to influence shifting when this type is installed.


Do you have the skip shift eliminator described above as "Type (2)"? Does this type somehow maintain circuit continuity when installed?
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Originally Posted by JmpnJckFlsh
Judging from photos of skip shift eliminators, there are two versions of this device: (1) One type appears to consist of two connector ends that are shipped made up into a single unit with no visible wiring, and (2) Another type that has two connector ends assembled onto a pair of visible wires.

I understand that "Type (1)" is installed by removing the harness completely from the transmission, and plugging the transmission connector and the harness end with the two connector ends that make up the vendor-supplied "eliminator". The disconnected harness is secured out of harms way with a wire tie. Since the harness remains physically removed from the transmission, it is impossible for CAGS to influence shifting when this type is installed.


Do you have the skip shift eliminator described above as "Type (2)"? Does this type somehow maintain circuit continuity when installed?
Using your titles, The first I tried was a Type 1. This never entirely worked. What I felt with the Type 1 was some minor interference to moving the shifter to 2nd when GAGS was on-when GAGS off there was no interference.

The Type 2, worked for about 5 weeks, the 1-2 interference began again and stayed until the check engine came on-the DTC code 2250 stayed until the eliminator was taken out of the loop.

While I hear you say it is impossible for GAGS to influence shifting if the eliminator is attached, evidence appears to be the contrary with my vehicle. Both eliminators isolate the harness; none of which are specifically designed for the C6. The only real way to get "rid" of GAGS that I know is to reprogram the temperature at which GAGS is triggered-there may be others.
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Never heard that one, interesting.
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40 gazillion CAGS elliminators out there haven't harmed a thing.
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Originally Posted by JmpnJckFlsh
Judging from photos of skip shift eliminators, there are two versions of this device: (1) One type appears to consist of two connector ends that are shipped made up into a single unit with no visible wiring, and (2) Another type that has two connector ends assembled onto a pair of visible wires.

I understand that "Type (1)" is installed by removing the harness completely from the transmission, and plugging the transmission connector and the harness end with the two connector ends that make up the vendor-supplied "eliminator". The disconnected harness is secured out of harms way with a wire tie. Since the harness remains physically removed from the transmission, it is impossible for CAGS to influence shifting when this type is installed.


Do you have the skip shift eliminator described above as "Type (2)"? Does this type somehow maintain circuit continuity when installed?
The difference is just packaging. You could disable the skip shift by unplugging the connector from the transmission, but you would get a check engine light. Either type accomplishes the same thing.

1 - disconnects the skip shift from the transmission so it never gets the signal to block the 2nd gear gate.
2 - provides some resistance, but not an open circuit, to the computer, so it appear to the computer that it is hooked to the transmission.
3. - Plugs the connector to the transmission so it doesn't get dirty.

By your definitions, I have a type 1 installed. I gave it to my dealer, and they installed it as part of the dealer prep. It's very simple and unlikely to cause a problem.
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