19/20" wheels and tires, how hard to live with?
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08 & '12-'13
John at CCW said it was fine
Also after the lpe conversion i think i will be driving mostly with the TC off
Also after the lpe conversion i think i will be driving mostly with the TC off
Have you driven the car any with the new wheels and tires? Won't that cause problems with the ABS/TC system?
Aren't the VSS expecting the front and rear wheels to be turning at certain speed "ratios" in relation to one another (not so much the same, just at the same percentage ratio, front to rear).
For example, the stock tires are 25.7" (F) and 26.9" (R) diameter. The fronts rotate 808 revolutions per mile, the rears rotate 775 revolutions per mile. The rears rotate at a 96% rate when compared to the fronts.
Your new tires are 25.6" (F) and 28" (R) diameters. The fronts rotate 814 revolutions per mile, the rears rotate 744 revolutions per mile. The rears rotate at a 91% rate when compared to the fronts.
For every mile that you drive and the VSS relies on data to determine weather Active Handling/Traction Control/ABS is necessary at any given time, your tires are rotating much differently than the ECM thinks is "normal". Is there enough "flexibility" so that the ECM figures out what is going on without causing problems?
Shawn
Aren't the VSS expecting the front and rear wheels to be turning at certain speed "ratios" in relation to one another (not so much the same, just at the same percentage ratio, front to rear).
For example, the stock tires are 25.7" (F) and 26.9" (R) diameter. The fronts rotate 808 revolutions per mile, the rears rotate 775 revolutions per mile. The rears rotate at a 96% rate when compared to the fronts.
Your new tires are 25.6" (F) and 28" (R) diameters. The fronts rotate 814 revolutions per mile, the rears rotate 744 revolutions per mile. The rears rotate at a 91% rate when compared to the fronts.
For every mile that you drive and the VSS relies on data to determine weather Active Handling/Traction Control/ABS is necessary at any given time, your tires are rotating much differently than the ECM thinks is "normal". Is there enough "flexibility" so that the ECM figures out what is going on without causing problems?
Shawn
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Tires with extremely short sidewalls on huge spoked wheels were popular on antique farm wagons and stage coaches, but they aren't a good choice on a performance car.
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But the center of mass is located further from the axis. That means inertia loading is greater. In other words, it takes more power to accelerate, and more braking effort to decelerate the 20. That's why F1 and Champ cars use 12 or 13 inch wheels with 40 or 50 profile tires, and why fuel dragsters use 15 inch wheels with 50 or 60 profile tires.
Tires with extremely short sidewalls on huge spoked wheels were popular on antique farm wagons and stage coaches, but they aren't a good choice on a performance car.
Tires with extremely short sidewalls on huge spoked wheels were popular on antique farm wagons and stage coaches, but they aren't a good choice on a performance car.
Shawn
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I went from the standard 18/19 factory painted wheels to 19/20 CCW 505a's with PS2's. The 20X13 CCW wheels have the 335-30 ZR20 tires. I weighed the tire/wheel combos and the differences are the 19/runflat was 67# and the 20/PS2 was 73#. Yes the 6 lb is significant but the 2 inch wider tire will help with my APS TT.
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But the center of mass is located further from the axis. That means inertia loading is greater. In other words, it takes more power to accelerate, and more braking effort to decelerate the 20. That's why F1 and Champ cars use 12 or 13 inch wheels with 40 or 50 profile tires, and why fuel dragsters use 15 inch wheels with 50 or 60 profile tires.
Tires with extremely short sidewalls on huge spoked wheels were popular on antique farm wagons and stage coaches, but they aren't a good choice on a performance car.
Tires with extremely short sidewalls on huge spoked wheels were popular on antique farm wagons and stage coaches, but they aren't a good choice on a performance car.
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I believe my c6 z51 drives and rides nicer with the oem 19/20 with non runflat michelin tires as opposed to oem 18/19 gummy wheels and handkook tires...
This is my daily driver and has 102k miles.
This is my daily driver and has 102k miles.
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