Why are you running a crappy 8 cylinder?

V6 baby!

 

Mod for mod the LS3 will be faster.... Find an LS3 with similar mods and you will lose with everything else being equal...

No replacement for displacement....

If any Ls2 in the DFW area with intake /tune only wants to race an LS3 with a CAI/tune only, I'm game... I'm sure we can set something up...

My first hand experience: My LS3 with just a CAI and intake A6 is running as fast as my H/C + headers manual LS2 ... 121mph

With that said, I did love my Ls2 though - It was my first Vette!!

 

why are you picking on a 62 year old, retired guy.......

 

'Cause us 62 year old retired guys got quick cars

 

Sorry , YOU are the one that said anyone with the Kahonies to step up,so I just obliged you

 

yea , but i was thinking i could just drop the checkered flag,,,my bad....

 

 

Yeah, A stock LS3 is probably a little quicker than a stock LS2, but not by much; also depends who's driving, and an LS2 with just headers will take a LS3.

I get tired of hearing how some of the now LS3 owners seem to be putting down the LS2 like it was nothing.

And with that said, too bad you aren't a little closer to Houston, because I would take your challenge

 

Bill - I'm not so sure I agree with you about the headers. Might be close, but you are going to have to pick up at least 35 hp at the wheels to match the LS3. I actually DO live pretty close to Houston! For those who probably don't know, Bill and I know each other, and I've been to his house - having a little fun with each other here

 

OH PA LEASE!!!! Get Real.

 

there are so many factors to take into consideration besides a single list that proves nothing

1. how many people do you think track their car, but don't come on a forum

2. everyone shows their times but what about track prep, DA, weather conditions, head wind, and etc that can have a huge effect on times..not to mention the driver

3. the ls2 has been out for a couple years now...the ls3 was out for what? a fall and winter? most vette owners do not have the luxury to drive their vettes year round.

4. the ls3 IS FASTER, plain and simple

 

Yeah, but a black carbon fiber dash aint gonna beat a mustang is it??
I beat a mustang and it was supercharged!! And all I had was an LS2, Stock. If ya dont believe me, ask my wife. OK, but see, I got em outta the hole, He was on on my rear quarter and thats where he stayed, couldnt move up on me. I was beginnin to pull away just a tad....

 

Few. Very few. Only a few folks are going to even track their cars to begin with.

But in this day and age of easy internet access and broad band, I'd bet that a significant number of people who do track their cars, also post their times somewhere on the world wide web. If he is tracking it, and is not running "no times" then there is a good chance that he is posting up about it. Somewhere. Especially if its stock.

If not here then Drag Times, DC, or one of the other fora. Especially if they are good runs. If you can afford a Vette, then you can afford internet access. And if you are tracking it, then you are probably telling others about it.

When I was regularly going to the track in my C5, everyone I came across at the track was on some forum or another. Especially the Mustang and Viper guys. And I regularly saw Corvette Forum members, Z06Vette..com members and LS1 tech members.

Furthermore, a lot of these guys nowadays who are racing these late model cars, are also tuning, or loading tunes using laptops and handhelds, anyway. And if they are doing that, then they know their way around a computer. And thus know how to use the internet. And don't hesitate to use it.


Its also one of the things which makes it a bit easier to verify claimed times. Someone goes out there and runs 10s and posts it up, there is a good chance that someone, somewhere, on either this or another forum, saw it and/or is familiar with the car, the driver, or both.

If you think that only a handful of people who race post their times on the internet, I'd disagree with that assessment. I'd contend that only a few are racing anyway, and those who are do indeed tend to trumpet their times either for personal accolades, or to get "what am I doing wrong" type advice on tuning, modifications, etc.

To the above you can add driver weight, fuel quality, tire pressure, wheel alignment, vehicle weight, deep stage, shallow stage, etc.... where does it end????

All of the above is true. But the car ran what it ran, when and where it ran it, with the driver who was in it.

Thats all any list of times is going to tell you.

One can talk about all of the extinuating circumstances, but the time posted, is what it is.



No doubt about it.

 

First off I wasn't trying to put down the LS3 or anyone that has one. I flat out said I expect the LS3 to be slightly faster than the LS2. I acknowledge there are many variables in drag-racing...all things being equal never quite happens....I realize this. Certainly time will show more LS3's in the top 45 of the showroom stock list....IMO possibly in the top spot(s).

But given a fair amount of time has elapsed since the LS3 was released into the wild and assuming the drag strip has seen a fair sampling of 2008's, I was truly surprised to see only three 2008's in the bone stock list of 45 cars. The results (to date) are what they are.

Again, although I expect the LS3 to be faster than the LS2...per the results of the showroom stock category it hasn't been demonstrated conclusively yet. So far it shows just how close the two engines are.

Another assumption was not many 2008 C6 owners race their cars. I know this and that's fine. I realize not everyone can or wants to race their car. I hope the post encourages more stock 2008 owners to visit the track. Not only is it fun but perhaps it gives added 'purpose' to owning a high performance Corvette. You don't have to be fast...you don't have to be good...just getting your car out and doing it is IMO what counts. Like with anything...the more you do something the better you get. Who know's...maybe you'll have the one golden run.

'Fightin' words' only to the extend it might motivate more 2008 C6 owners to visit their local drag strip. I wasn't trying to start a fight per se...provocative yes...fight no (if I would have used anymore 'winks' and 'smilies' in the post I might have thrown up).

I'd give it a go but I'm really not a drag racer myself. I run on a road course a couple days each month though. I realize the risk factor and I can understand why you might not want to risk it. From my experience on the track...I think it's far more dangerous driving on the freeway to get to the track.

and I said as much...I expect the LS3 to be faster. That's why it was so surprising to see the results in the bone stock category...the LS3 has not (yet) IMO proven its advantage over the LS2. Maybe time will tell otherwise.

Again but I wasn't addressing modified cars...only the stock C6.

I'm with you on that.

Again, I'm not slamming the LS3 or anyone that owns a 2008. I'm not slamming anyone that doesn't race their car. I do, however, wish more Corvette owners would track their cars (be it on a drag strip or a road course). It's a wonderful sport and we have wonderful cars to use.

 

I'm with you totally...

 

There are enough dyno runs to know - they are about 36 rwhp apart, plain and simple. The 08 is 36hp faster than the 05-07s. If we took two otherwise identical 07 & 08s to the track and let Ranger make 50 passes in each car under the same conditions, I'd bet we'd see the 36hp difference at the track.

But the reality is that we are a bunch of amatuers who are racing under totally different conditions all over the country. We are trying to use the drag strip as the only measure of which car is faster and by how much. Given that the 05-07 are identical to the 08's other than the engine, I'm quite comfortable that the 08 really is 36 hp faster (and it feels it to me) and we really don't need to argue forever about whether or not it really is faster.

 

I think its over for now..

 

It will continue to come up until the LS5 replaces the LS3. There already is a LS4 - I don't expect we'll see that designation in a Corvette. Then we'll start with "is the LS5 really that much faster than a LS3....

 

I didn't even know there was an LS5 in the works...

 

My LS3 mn6 is quicker then my LS2 a6, but the two different trannys throw a roadblock at a direct comparison. But , I also got some seat time in an LS3 a6 with the 2.73 and it was also slightly quicker then my LS2 a6. So, I have to give the nod to the LS3. Whether or not owners of them are savagely pounding them on the strip to climb up the ''LIST'' or not is perhaps the reason they have not taken over the same list.

I would never put down the LS2, I love mine and plan to keep it long after the lease runs out on the LS3.

But putting aside the drag strip for a moment, if an LS2 and an LS3 , otherwise stick and stick, base and base, or Z51 and Z51, OR two A6'S , one LS2 and one LS3 , were to run from a roll, the LS3 , taking away driver error or shortcomings would emerge ahead.