Are we really better off
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Are we really better off
Are we really better off having everything in a C6 controlled from a computerized electrical system? Or would you rather have a breaker point distributor, carburetor, and electrical switches that controlled the lights, wipers, A/C fan, ect like a 1963.
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
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Team Owner
I've thought about this and I think the ultimate would be to have the engine controlled by the computer but thats all. The rest of the electrical could be like the old days. We couldn't get this kind of mileage and power from the engine with a carb, points, etc. But I could do without the keyless entry and all the class II serial data flying around the car...
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All this technology just made the mechanics dumber too. If you take the car to a dealer and there are no codes most of them say there is nothing wrong. "sorry no codes". I see it all the time.
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For the most part I appreciate all of the technology in these cars. I don't quite understand the need for the push to start button/fob but I can live with it.
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Way better off.
Push Button start\FOB is the best. My other cars with keys feel out of date. Better would be having the FOB programed into your cell phone. One less thing to carry.
Tech keeps getting better all the time.
Push Button start\FOB is the best. My other cars with keys feel out of date. Better would be having the FOB programed into your cell phone. One less thing to carry.
Tech keeps getting better all the time.
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Electronics are as solid as the antiquated parts they replace.
Fuel injection, ECM, displays, knock sensors, etc... all make the car more efficient and reliable. While they may be more complex... there are new tools/software to diagnose any issues. The accuracy of these sensors and dedicated computers is what gives us great mileage, accurate handling and safety.
The rules have changed... but it's basically the same game..
I'm old and remember adjusting the dwell, replacing drum brakes and adjusting the AFM on a carb... While I enjoy the memories... I don't miss the issues associated with those parts..
These are the good old days..
Fuel injection, ECM, displays, knock sensors, etc... all make the car more efficient and reliable. While they may be more complex... there are new tools/software to diagnose any issues. The accuracy of these sensors and dedicated computers is what gives us great mileage, accurate handling and safety.
The rules have changed... but it's basically the same game..
I'm old and remember adjusting the dwell, replacing drum brakes and adjusting the AFM on a carb... While I enjoy the memories... I don't miss the issues associated with those parts..
These are the good old days..
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Technology in the C6 is a great thing. No way would I want to go back to a distributor, with setting the points, worrying about the timing and all that good stuff back in the day. Sure there are issues but with progress you sometimes have a price to pay. The C6 today is a much superior Vette than the early models in my opinion.
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I'd rather have the current day C6 where I can check nearly all important engine parameters at the push of a button. Also able to enter and exit the car, and lock the doors with my hands full.
Don't have to worry about a flat tire on a deserted road at 2 AM.
Why would anyone want to continue to do things the old way? If the old way is your bag, get rid of your telephones, washing machines, and TVs.
Don't have to worry about a flat tire on a deserted road at 2 AM.
Why would anyone want to continue to do things the old way? If the old way is your bag, get rid of your telephones, washing machines, and TVs.
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You know, we bought a sports car which happened to be on expensive side. I am not sure if Corvette is a luxuary car. Having said that, yes, I rather have less electronics in my car. The other day I counted 10 different antennas in my Corvette !!! And to be honest with you, everytime I enter the car and hear the relays clicking, I wonder when one will break and send me to dealer which has no clue what is broken.
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Are we really better off having everything in a C6 controlled from a computerized electrical system? Or would you rather have a breaker point distributor, carburetor, and electrical switches that controlled the lights, wipers, A/C fan, ect like a 1963.
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
As for 20 years for now, don't care. I never keep a car more than 3-4 years, so as long as the electronics last that long, good enough for me. I'll admit that 20 years from now, and you have a 2005-2009 car, any car, and the PCM goes, will be interesting to see how much it will cost to replace and if you can get them. But again, 20 years from now I'll be driving a 2029 electric/natural gas/water vapor hybrid something or other (or what ever the government will let me/tell me to drive)!!
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If you really want to hold the distributor cap with one hand (providing you loosened it just the right amount --- not too much!), and then have your other hand holding the timing light about three inches from the rapidly spinning fan blades, and then concentrate hard enough to try to see the timing marks waaaaaaaay down there on the crank.....be my guest! Just don't lose track of EXACTLY where that hand is holding the timing light!
I welcome the fact that a 100K tune up now consists of spark plugs...
I don't miss the "good old days" one bit..............Remember spraying GUNK Carb cleaner into your carb, letting it sit for a while to get the lacquer off, then spraying more in with the car running until it 'almost' stalled? Fun times indeed..........not!
I welcome the fact that a 100K tune up now consists of spark plugs...
I don't miss the "good old days" one bit..............Remember spraying GUNK Carb cleaner into your carb, letting it sit for a while to get the lacquer off, then spraying more in with the car running until it 'almost' stalled? Fun times indeed..........not!
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"In honor of jpee"
I'm in the "here and now" crowd. If we want to build yesterday stuff, it's certainly do-able and enjoyable as a hobby. But the technology of cars is still moving ahead and it does make the cars better. Maybe there are those service techs who can't work on the cars, but they will slowly go away. As of today, there is still a need for a technician and a mechanic.
#16
Drifting
No, I'll take the modern stuff. The keyless entry, the keyless start, etc.
I don't miss changing plugs 2X/month on our '67 427 Vette. Getting under the A/C was a pita.
And the fuel mileage today is so much better too, along with performance we could only dream of then.
No, the good old days are now. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
I don't miss changing plugs 2X/month on our '67 427 Vette. Getting under the A/C was a pita.
And the fuel mileage today is so much better too, along with performance we could only dream of then.
No, the good old days are now. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
#17
better off?
I think so...being a automotive mechanic for over thirty years I was right in middle of the computer technology change (addition) for automobiles. Started out with points and condensers and now with complete computer controls...I do miss the old days...I think it took more skill to properly diagnose problems...still if I were to build a hot rod today I would go with fuel injection over carburetion any day.
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Are we really better off having everything in a C6 controlled from a computerized electrical system? Or would you rather have a breaker point distributor, carburetor, and electrical switches that controlled the lights, wipers, A/C fan, ect like a 1963.
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
Remember you could trouble shoot the entire electrical system with a simple volt/ohm meter and basic electrical skills.
There were no BDS problems, and parts could be bought at almost any auto parts store.
I wonder if C6 electronic parts will be available 20 years from now, and if so at what price. Are these electronic marvels simply throwaways like a 5 year old PC.
LJ
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Of course we are better off! But I also agree that we are all getting dumber about our cars and so are all the mechanics. I worked at a gas station/garage when I was a kid and that is the kind of mechanical capabilities I remember. I knew how to change the plugs and points and could adjust the points by the time I was 12. I miss it a little but the car sure runs better!