So much for the "top tier" gasolines...
05-29-2009, 09:46 PM
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The response was so cocky I had to make a trip downstairs to get my owners manual. 
For all I care you could put donkey poo in your tank. I'm sticking with what the manufacturer states to use.
Yes, on page 5-6 of the 2009 owners manual it is recommended to use TOP TIER detergent Gasoline even in CAPS in the manual.
That again is the 2009 manual. Until the 2010 the most recent manual the manufacturer of the car has.
For all I care you could put donkey poo in your tank. I'm sticking with what the manufacturer states to use.
Yes, on page 5-6 of the 2009 owners manual it is recommended to use TOP TIER detergent Gasoline even in CAPS in the manual.
That again is the 2009 manual. Until the 2010 the most recent manual the manufacturer of the car has.
05-29-2009, 10:32 PM
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That Yahoo article is so bad it's embarassing. Like much of today's media; they got just enough of the story right, to get it all wrong.
For starters, last time I looked at
www.toptiergas.com
the site clearly stated that all gasoline today has government-required additives. They further stated that the car makers had concluded the government-required minimums were not enough for best engine protection, and called for the Top Tier rating system to get better additive performance. Page 5-6 of my 2006 Owners Manual says the same thing and clearly recommends Top Tier gasoline.
At the end of the paragraph about gas, the article says that the only difference may be a quart of additive in a tanker full of fuel. The operative word is "may", the difference might be more than that. And we're talking about an additive in the gasoline, not something like a 50-50 mix.
Their credit card info is also misleading- I've used a Shell MasterCard for several years that gives me 5% rebates on all Shell gas purchases. No annual fee, and I don't give a hoot about the interest rates because I pay in full each month.
I can't prove whether Top Tier gasoline is really better for your car than other brands, but Yahoo needs to get someone who understands the issues to write their articles.
For starters, last time I looked at
www.toptiergas.com
the site clearly stated that all gasoline today has government-required additives. They further stated that the car makers had concluded the government-required minimums were not enough for best engine protection, and called for the Top Tier rating system to get better additive performance. Page 5-6 of my 2006 Owners Manual says the same thing and clearly recommends Top Tier gasoline.
At the end of the paragraph about gas, the article says that the only difference may be a quart of additive in a tanker full of fuel. The operative word is "may", the difference might be more than that. And we're talking about an additive in the gasoline, not something like a 50-50 mix.
Their credit card info is also misleading- I've used a Shell MasterCard for several years that gives me 5% rebates on all Shell gas purchases. No annual fee, and I don't give a hoot about the interest rates because I pay in full each month.
I can't prove whether Top Tier gasoline is really better for your car than other brands, but Yahoo needs to get someone who understands the issues to write their articles.
05-29-2009, 11:12 PM
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In the past (and maybe still today), wasn't one of the criteria for a "top tier" gasoline that it had to be sold at a high-volume dealer, so it didn't sit underground for several days?
05-30-2009, 12:16 AM
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05-30-2009, 12:27 AM
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05-30-2009, 02:32 AM
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The primary criteria to be listed as a Top Tier gasoline supplier is that your check clear with the Top Tier people. It is primarily a marketing program.
05-30-2009, 02:39 AM
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ARCO made their reputation by tightly controlling costs and keeping prices low. But since BP bought them in '95, they are no different than any other BP station.
05-30-2009, 02:49 AM
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I agree about the yahoo article!!! All it does is make us think were all screwed before we even pull up & pump the gas or snake oil for that matter...which might be the case but damn? Is there anyone looking out for the little guy anymore????
05-30-2009, 05:36 AM
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Man I'm counting my blessings that I have numerous Entec gas stations around me. They are not only rated "Top Tier", they also have some of the most competitive prices around compared to the other "Top Tier" certified fuels. I can get 93.5 octane and it's triple filtered (Entec's claim to fame besides being Top Tier is their gas is pumped and run through three aircraft quality filters before it gets to your tank).
My previous Cobra and now the vette pretty much live off the stuff!
U.M.
My previous Cobra and now the vette pretty much live off the stuff!
U.M.
05-30-2009, 07:37 AM
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Put in what you want. I'll be sticking with Chevron or Shell. It may be only a quart of additives per tankful but that quart may make a difference in keeping your fuel system cleaner.........
05-30-2009, 07:49 AM
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This is an excerpt from a news article on Yahoo. To see the whole article, you can go to:
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home...d=family-autos
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home...d=family-autos
Anyone that has been in the oil and gas industry knows that a the article contains significant inconsistencies.
Those that of us that are not in that buisiness would not know.
All gas is not created equal, nor do all stations reveal the truth of what they are selling
IMHO
05-30-2009, 07:56 AM
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Let's not forget how this all works. Top Tier and BP sell the manufacturers to make those recommendations. I PROMISE you that they also offer a big discount to the manufacturers. Don't forget that the manufacturers buy an awful lot of fuel every year.
05-30-2009, 08:12 AM
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I have to laugh when I read this stuff. I don't really have any of the choices you guys do. Seems like all we have in Iowa anymore are convenience-store gas like KwikStar, Caseys, etc. The BP station closed here almost a year ago and most other name gas stations disappeared some time ago. Top Tier Gas is a nice concept, but it is hardly available on a regular (pun intended) basis. I struggle to find any premium gas (91 octane, and forget 93) anywhere these days and have considered using octane boosters.
05-30-2009, 08:28 AM
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That Yahoo article is so bad it's embarassing. Like much of today's media; they got just enough of the story right, to get it all wrong.
For starters, last time I looked at
www.toptiergas.com
the site clearly stated that all gasoline today has government-required additives. They further stated that the car makers had concluded the government-required minimums were not enough for best engine protection, and called for the Top Tier rating system to get better additive performance. Page 5-6 of my 2006 Owners Manual says the same thing and clearly recommends Top Tier gasoline.
At the end of the paragraph about gas, the article says that the only difference may be a quart of additive in a tanker full of fuel. The operative word is "may", the difference might be more than that. And we're talking about an additive in the gasoline, not something like a 50-50 mix.
Their credit card info is also misleading- I've used a Shell MasterCard for several years that gives me 5% rebates on all Shell gas purchases. No annual fee, and I don't give a hoot about the interest rates because I pay in full each month.
I can't prove whether Top Tier gasoline is really better for your car than other brands, but Yahoo needs to get someone who understands the issues to write their articles.
For starters, last time I looked at
www.toptiergas.com
the site clearly stated that all gasoline today has government-required additives. They further stated that the car makers had concluded the government-required minimums were not enough for best engine protection, and called for the Top Tier rating system to get better additive performance. Page 5-6 of my 2006 Owners Manual says the same thing and clearly recommends Top Tier gasoline.
At the end of the paragraph about gas, the article says that the only difference may be a quart of additive in a tanker full of fuel. The operative word is "may", the difference might be more than that. And we're talking about an additive in the gasoline, not something like a 50-50 mix.
Their credit card info is also misleading- I've used a Shell MasterCard for several years that gives me 5% rebates on all Shell gas purchases. No annual fee, and I don't give a hoot about the interest rates because I pay in full each month.
I can't prove whether Top Tier gasoline is really better for your car than other brands, but Yahoo needs to get someone who understands the issues to write their articles.
!!! When are jouranlism schools going to start teaching that half truths are not what the public wants? Or could I be wrong and that IS what they want?
05-30-2009, 10:30 AM
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Since 1994 the government has required that detergents be added to all gasoline
Government standards are not good enough for some engines, and allow for deposits to form on the fuel injectors. That is why auto manufactures got together with some oil companies an established the standards for Top Tier Gasolines. The standards for Top Tier Gasolines exceed that of the Government.
I use a Top Tier gasoline in all of my cars.
I use a Top Tier gasoline in all of my cars.
05-30-2009, 10:43 AM
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Government standards are not good enough for some engines, and allow for deposits to form on the fuel injectors. That is why auto manufactures got together with some oil companies an established the standards for Top Tier Gasolines. The standards for Top Tier Gasolines exceed that of the Government.
I use a Top Tier gasoline in all of my cars.
I use a Top Tier gasoline in all of my cars.
