No more burnouts for you: "GM to Expand Brake Override Software Globally by 2012"
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For drag racing or burnouts, I believe you are still good to go with the Manual and for the Auto there is Line Lock that should work.
#22
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No concern for me. Never burn out. Not since I was 16, well maybe 17. Actually last time was in my 65 tri power GTO hitting second gear and blowing the rear end. Never did drive that car again.
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Of course if Toyota's problem was fake NASA probably wouldn't be helping them solve their problem now at the US taxpayers' expense. Toyota also would not have shaved the bottom of the gas pedal if they believed it was fake only for the same problem to remain. Some people are idiots enough to try to beat the system though not realizing that cars these days will tell you what the throttle/brake inputs are before a crash.
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Brake override is nothing new, you can thank Audi for it.... I believe all your German cars have it and maybe any vehicle sold in Europe.
This is how it works, and you can still do burnouts....
In case your accelerator pedal is stuck, all you have to do is press the brake, the ECM over rides the accelerator input and the engine returns to idle mainly so the engine can produce vacuum for the brakes, "AS LONG AS YOU DON'T" take pressure from the brake pedal and it does not see any fluctuation in accelerator input, meaning if you put your left foot on the brake and pump the accelerator with your right it will accelerate. You can still do your burnout, plus the override usually does not activate until around 20 mph or so......
This is how it works, and you can still do burnouts....
In case your accelerator pedal is stuck, all you have to do is press the brake, the ECM over rides the accelerator input and the engine returns to idle mainly so the engine can produce vacuum for the brakes, "AS LONG AS YOU DON'T" take pressure from the brake pedal and it does not see any fluctuation in accelerator input, meaning if you put your left foot on the brake and pump the accelerator with your right it will accelerate. You can still do your burnout, plus the override usually does not activate until around 20 mph or so......
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Seems like this is only for an automatic... Whew, I am glad I got an MN6
EDIT: I agree with the above post!!!!
EDIT: I agree with the above post!!!!
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Actually the press release says GM has been installing this system on high power cars like the Corvette.
"GM plans to install the software for the system in the electronic throttle control systems of newly manufactured vehicles. The automaker already used it in several models in the United States, mostly high horsepower vehicles like the Chevy Corvette."
So it looks like it won't hurt the burnout business any.
Bill
"GM plans to install the software for the system in the electronic throttle control systems of newly manufactured vehicles. The automaker already used it in several models in the United States, mostly high horsepower vehicles like the Chevy Corvette."
So it looks like it won't hurt the burnout business any.
Bill
#30
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IMHO, burnout's are stupid. Yeah, they were "cool" back when I was 15 years old. But to me, a cars power is demonstrated in other ways, not by how easy it is to incinerate a pair of $500 tires.
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And that is $1000 in tires since each rear wheel costs $500 each!
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Not saying floormats don't ever get in the way of gas pedals. What I *am* calling BS on is the 'victims' contention that the acceleration continued relatively unabated, no matter how hard they stepped on the 'brake'. THAT part is total
It's easy to demonstrate. Get any toyota. Drop a brick on the gas pedal, and the car will *still* stop when you press on the brake. The victims' contention that the car somehow gains supernatural horsepower and becomes 'unstoppable' during these events is laughable. ("However, anecdotal evidence from some Toyota owners who experienced "runaway" acceleration indicate that even brakes cannot stop the car")
NASA wasn't called in to develop a solution for the issue -- it was called upon to try to determine how the problem might be possible *at all*, and if some bizzarre software glitch might be a contributory factor in causing the impossible-to-replicate problem.
It's easy to demonstrate. Get any toyota. Drop a brick on the gas pedal, and the car will *still* stop when you press on the brake. The victims' contention that the car somehow gains supernatural horsepower and becomes 'unstoppable' during these events is laughable. ("However, anecdotal evidence from some Toyota owners who experienced "runaway" acceleration indicate that even brakes cannot stop the car")
NASA wasn't called in to develop a solution for the issue -- it was called upon to try to determine how the problem might be possible *at all*, and if some bizzarre software glitch might be a contributory factor in causing the impossible-to-replicate problem.
#33
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Tell that to the family that was kill in their Lexes. The driver was a police officer and could not stop the car. It finally crashed and kill the occupants. The brakes where completely used up and smoking. This problem was first reported overseas and has been documented in several countries. We are just finding out about it now.
The fact that he's a police officer, perhaps SHOULD say something about his level of common sense, but it clearly does not. This is a guy who had the time to call 911 and explain the situation he was in but could not think and/or figure out how to take the car out of gear before crashing.
You make it sound like the car had a mind of its own and thwarted every attempt by a trained professional to stop it.
In reality what happened was a simple malfunction that, while dangerous, can be escaped if you fight the urge to panic and think logically.
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I don't disagree with your post. However, I will take a wait an see on this particular issue with Toyota only because from what I hear, the ignition, accelerator, and gear selector in that car are all controlled electronically (not just Toyota) and not mechanically as we may have always been accustomed too. I have had computers, and other electronic devices throughout the years that seem to have a mind of their own.
#36
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I don't disagree with your post. However, I will take a wait an see on this particular issue with Toyota only because from what I hear, the ignition, accelerator, and gear selector in that car are all controlled electronically (not just Toyota) and not mechanically as we may have always been accustomed too. I have had computers, and other electronic devices throughout the years that seem to have a mind of their own.
I haven't heard anything about the gear selector being electronic, but yes that would certainly add a twist to the whole situation.
I can understand being unable to turn off the ignition (usually you have to hold keyless ignition switches for a couple seconds to "prove" you want to turn the engine off) but I'll be damned if I'm going to "suggest" to a computer that my car come out of a forward gear and into neutral and then let it decide whether or not it wants to obey me.
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The driver did not make the 911 call. One of the passengers did. And according to the report I read they tried to shut it down and shift to neutral and neither would work.
As I said before this problem was reported to other countries over a year ago and only recently has been reported in the US. This is not a US specific issue.
This from: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7011671.ece
Toyota, the Japanese motor manufacturer that is recalling millions of defective cars around the world, knew in the UK a year ago that accelerator pedals in its cars were jamming.
The admission came amid reports in Canada that class-action lawsuits have been launched against Toyota, demanding compensation for injuries sustained by out-of-control cars.
As I said before this problem was reported to other countries over a year ago and only recently has been reported in the US. This is not a US specific issue.
This from: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7011671.ece
Toyota, the Japanese motor manufacturer that is recalling millions of defective cars around the world, knew in the UK a year ago that accelerator pedals in its cars were jamming.
The admission came amid reports in Canada that class-action lawsuits have been launched against Toyota, demanding compensation for injuries sustained by out-of-control cars.
#38
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God this thread is going off the deep end quick I could care less about the politics of it...
I bet you the aftermarket tuners (LSX software) can override this, you can turn off or "tune out" just about everything else anyway.... no reason to cry "sky is falling sky is falling"
I normally buy manual 6 speed cars anyways
I bet you the aftermarket tuners (LSX software) can override this, you can turn off or "tune out" just about everything else anyway.... no reason to cry "sky is falling sky is falling"
I normally buy manual 6 speed cars anyways
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Tell that to the family that was kill in their Lexes. The driver was a police officer and could not stop the car. It finally crashed and kill the occupants. The brakes where completely used up and smoking. This problem was first reported overseas and has been documented in several countries. We are just finding out about it now.