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Shifting tips for the C6 manual transmission
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Drifting
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Shifting tips for the C6 manual transmission
If anyone is having issues about getting you manual C6 trans into gear during speed shifting, this video will solve your problems!
Kent
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Melting Slicks
When I saw the raindrops I was afraid maybe he was some kind of nut who was gonna try and speedshift on the slick roads at full throttle...one-a-those 'crash videos' - - -
#4
Team Owner
Some good tips and demo, although a bit drawn out.
#5
Race Director
My most missed shift is 5th to 4th. I end up in 2nd. Good points he makes, I should improve this shift now. I have 3 million miles of shifting thirteen and eighteen speed gear boxes, just eighteen thousand with the 08 C6. I gotta get the C6 out more.
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I don't think I have Ever shifted my Vette as fast as he did. Even when getting on it a bit, I usually take the extra few tenths of a second to make sure the tranny is in gear before I get on the throttle again.
The potential problem with shifting that quick is this: When done that fast, it becomes one fluid movement... So you are expecting to be in the next gear when you let out the clutch, if it doesn't go into gear properly for whatever reason, there really isn't enough time to stop your foot from letting the clutch out -- at least for me there wouldn't be.
It looks like such a fast movement -- floor clutch pedal, shove shifter, quickly let out clutch pedal, that if something goes wrong with the shift -- you may be letting the clutch out while not in gear, or worse -- while still pushing the shifter to try to get it into gear.
When I had my Miata several years back, I did miss a few shifts now and then. I taught myself to think of shifting as a two action process. After clutching, I would first-take the shifter out of the gear it was in, then second-put it in the gear I wanted to go into.
I never missed a shift after I started doing it that way. After a few months my new shifting action became more second nature and I didn't need to think of it in terms of those two steps -- I had "taught" myself to shift in a way.
I guess I just don't feel the need to shift that fast. It looks cool when someone else is doing it to their car, but I think it may cause problems in the real world for many people, and I don't think I will be adopting the speedy part of that technique any time soon.
I do agree with his pressure points aspect to shifting, where you push on the stick to get it into gear and how to position your hand for the shift -- that's good advice, and something I've followed since the first few months of owning and figuring out how to best shift the car.
TomZ
The potential problem with shifting that quick is this: When done that fast, it becomes one fluid movement... So you are expecting to be in the next gear when you let out the clutch, if it doesn't go into gear properly for whatever reason, there really isn't enough time to stop your foot from letting the clutch out -- at least for me there wouldn't be.
It looks like such a fast movement -- floor clutch pedal, shove shifter, quickly let out clutch pedal, that if something goes wrong with the shift -- you may be letting the clutch out while not in gear, or worse -- while still pushing the shifter to try to get it into gear.
When I had my Miata several years back, I did miss a few shifts now and then. I taught myself to think of shifting as a two action process. After clutching, I would first-take the shifter out of the gear it was in, then second-put it in the gear I wanted to go into.
I never missed a shift after I started doing it that way. After a few months my new shifting action became more second nature and I didn't need to think of it in terms of those two steps -- I had "taught" myself to shift in a way.
I guess I just don't feel the need to shift that fast. It looks cool when someone else is doing it to their car, but I think it may cause problems in the real world for many people, and I don't think I will be adopting the speedy part of that technique any time soon.
I do agree with his pressure points aspect to shifting, where you push on the stick to get it into gear and how to position your hand for the shift -- that's good advice, and something I've followed since the first few months of owning and figuring out how to best shift the car.
TomZ
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Shifting 101...I got the feeling he's a driver's ed teacher.
I think you can wind it out to 170+ mph in 4th gear so for all practical purposes 5th and 6th gears are overdrive gears for extended highway cruising (not in-town driving). There's no need to speed-shift from 5th to 4th...take your time and get the 'feel' for it.
I knew a guy who complained about missing the 2-3 shift. I observed at WOT he was way too tense...he had a death grip on the shifter and he was 'forcing' the shift (sometimes locking it out of gear). I'm no expert but I suggested he slow it down and concentrate on being relaxed. Use a light touch to guide the shifter towards 3rd...give it a 'suggestion' of where to go and it'll find its way. You don't need a heavy hand to shift quickly. Be relaxed and smooth and the speed will follow.
I knew a guy who complained about missing the 2-3 shift. I observed at WOT he was way too tense...he had a death grip on the shifter and he was 'forcing' the shift (sometimes locking it out of gear). I'm no expert but I suggested he slow it down and concentrate on being relaxed. Use a light touch to guide the shifter towards 3rd...give it a 'suggestion' of where to go and it'll find its way. You don't need a heavy hand to shift quickly. Be relaxed and smooth and the speed will follow.
#9
Le Mans Master
I think you can wind it out to 170+ mph in 4th gear so for all practical purposes 5th and 6th gears are overdrive gears for extended highway cruising (not in-town driving). There's no need to speed-shift from 5th to 4th...take your time and get the 'feel' for it.
I knew a guy who complained about missing the 2-3 shift. I observed at WOT he was way too tense...he had a death grip on the shifter and he was 'forcing' the shift (sometimes locking it out of gear). I'm no expert but I suggested he slow it down and concentrate on being relaxed. Use a light touch to guide the shifter towards 3rd...give it a 'suggestion' of where to go and it'll find its way. You don't need a heavy hand to shift quickly. Be relaxed and smooth and the speed will follow.
I knew a guy who complained about missing the 2-3 shift. I observed at WOT he was way too tense...he had a death grip on the shifter and he was 'forcing' the shift (sometimes locking it out of gear). I'm no expert but I suggested he slow it down and concentrate on being relaxed. Use a light touch to guide the shifter towards 3rd...give it a 'suggestion' of where to go and it'll find its way. You don't need a heavy hand to shift quickly. Be relaxed and smooth and the speed will follow.
I've been to 140 in 4th with plenty of room left...agree there is little need to speed shift there and 4th-to-5th (for me anyway) is an easy shift. And it is just like 2nd-to-3rd so using the heel of the hand only to push that 2nd-to-3rd forward works very well for me - it seems to find its way without forcing anything.
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This would be helpful for anyone first learning to use a C6 manual transmission, or the many who have never really mastered the art. Speed shifting up and down through the gears is a joy when executed flawlessly, with precise timing, and while matching engine speeds to the next lower gear while downshifting. Another joy is to be able to accelerate up through the gears more smoothly than can be done with an automatic transmission. Although many think they can drive a stick shift well, few can. The simple fact that the majority of Corvettes are purchased with automatic transmissions is simple evidence that few have ever mastered the art, so they settle for an automatic transmission to do the job for them, and to save themselves from embarrassment. They can make all the lame excuses in the world for driving an automatic, but except for those who are physically impaired, the fact is they simply lack the skills needed to drive a manual transmission well, which is after all is said and done, the true essence and ultimate joy of driving a sports car.
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St. Jude Donor '09-'11
I started to watch the video, but that guy talks so slowly I quit watching. Not doubting he makes some good points, but I've been shifting gears for decades, and without problems on the C6. Those who do have some problems usually have difficulty with 2nd to 3rd up shift on the C6. As stated previously, don't try to manhandle it with a hard grip. Relax the hand, and use a loose grip pushing forward, and let the spring move the shifter into place for third gear.
#14
Burning Brakes
Tucson may have grown beyond the "Olde Pubelo", but you still do not have the inner-belts and beltways the rest of us have on our city highway systems.
That being said, there are many opportunities to use 5th and 6th gear on our city highways & beltways, and that returns better gas mileage which is good for the wallet and is environmentally responsible.
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Drifting
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I don't think I have Ever shifted my Vette as fast as he did. Even when getting on it a bit, I usually take the extra few tenths of a second to make sure the tranny is in gear before I get on the throttle again.
The potential problem with shifting that quick is this: When done that fast, it becomes one fluid movement... So you are expecting to be in the next gear when you let out the clutch, if it doesn't go into gear properly for whatever reason, there really isn't enough time to stop your foot from letting the clutch out -- at least for me there wouldn't be.
It looks like such a fast movement -- floor clutch pedal, shove shifter, quickly let out clutch pedal, that if something goes wrong with the shift -- you may be letting the clutch out while not in gear, or worse -- while still pushing the shifter to try to get it into gear.
When I had my Miata several years back, I did miss a few shifts now and then. I taught myself to think of shifting as a two action process. After clutching, I would first-take the shifter out of the gear it was in, then second-put it in the gear I wanted to go into.
I never missed a shift after I started doing it that way. After a few months my new shifting action became more second nature and I didn't need to think of it in terms of those two steps -- I had "taught" myself to shift in a way.
I guess I just don't feel the need to shift that fast. It looks cool when someone else is doing it to their car, but I think it may cause problems in the real world for many people, and I don't think I will be adopting the speedy part of that technique any time soon.
I do agree with his pressure points aspect to shifting, where you push on the stick to get it into gear and how to position your hand for the shift -- that's good advice, and something I've followed since the first few months of owning and figuring out how to best shift the car.
TomZ
The potential problem with shifting that quick is this: When done that fast, it becomes one fluid movement... So you are expecting to be in the next gear when you let out the clutch, if it doesn't go into gear properly for whatever reason, there really isn't enough time to stop your foot from letting the clutch out -- at least for me there wouldn't be.
It looks like such a fast movement -- floor clutch pedal, shove shifter, quickly let out clutch pedal, that if something goes wrong with the shift -- you may be letting the clutch out while not in gear, or worse -- while still pushing the shifter to try to get it into gear.
When I had my Miata several years back, I did miss a few shifts now and then. I taught myself to think of shifting as a two action process. After clutching, I would first-take the shifter out of the gear it was in, then second-put it in the gear I wanted to go into.
I never missed a shift after I started doing it that way. After a few months my new shifting action became more second nature and I didn't need to think of it in terms of those two steps -- I had "taught" myself to shift in a way.
I guess I just don't feel the need to shift that fast. It looks cool when someone else is doing it to their car, but I think it may cause problems in the real world for many people, and I don't think I will be adopting the speedy part of that technique any time soon.
I do agree with his pressure points aspect to shifting, where you push on the stick to get it into gear and how to position your hand for the shift -- that's good advice, and something I've followed since the first few months of owning and figuring out how to best shift the car.
TomZ
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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
not trying to make fun, but 5th downshifting to 4th is your missed shift? how do you do that? doesn't your shifter have a centering spring that brings the shifter to the center position, which is right in the 3rd/4th area? if you pull your lever out of 5th with one finger, it will naturally center right over 4th, not 2nd. again, this is all correct only if you have the centering spring.
#19
Race Director
not trying to make fun, but 5th downshifting to 4th is your missed shift? how do you do that? doesn't your shifter have a centering spring that brings the shifter to the center position, which is right in the 3rd/4th area? if you pull your lever out of 5th with one finger, it will naturally center right over 4th, not 2nd. again, this is all correct only if you have the centering spring.
By the way I never speed shift, might try and down shift quickly but never upshift for speed.
I miss the 5th to 4th shift usually when approaching a slow turn at a high speed for the turn and of course I am pushing the car a bit! I have 4:10's so I can use the gear box more...OK. Obviously I have the death grip on the shifter and muscle it to 2nd. Only done it a few times but nevertheless it has happened. Guys I have stated before I do not track at all. Sometimes a little spirited drive. The C6 gear box is not the most user friendly I have used, centering spring is to weak IMO. I missed shifts some in the big rig but that is due to rev matching, I never used the clutch except for roll off. Missing in the rig just meant having to match rpm to let her slip in, without grinding. Again usually under more sever driving conditions, like downshifting up a steep grade.
Again, I got get the Vette out more!!
Thanks for your suggestions on my driving skills
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Drifting
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