ZR1 v. Z06
01-31-2012, 11:03 AM
#42
I've owned two Z06s and 1 Zr1. There is not a 133hp difference at the wheels. It's about 75-85. Z06s dyno at about 460 wheel and Zr1s about 535 wheel. With the extra weight of the Zr1 that means very little difference in performance so it just depends on what you want. Is the 75hp and ugly hood window worth the 20 grand difference to you. Equal dollars, modding a Zr1 to 700+ wheel is not far away. It takes much more to make a reliable 700 wheel in a Z06.
01-31-2012, 11:07 AM
#43
Race Director
Man if you can swing getting the ZR1 get it! You'll never regret it.
01-31-2012, 11:58 AM
#45
Team Owner
01-31-2012, 11:58 AM
#46
Drifting
01-31-2012, 01:45 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
01-31-2012, 01:48 PM
#48
Burning Brakes
I've owned two Z06s and 1 Zr1. There is not a 133hp difference at the wheels. It's about 75-85. Z06s dyno at about 460 wheel and Zr1s about 535 wheel. With the extra weight of the Zr1 that means very little difference in performance so it just depends on what you want. Is the 75hp and ugly hood window worth the 20 grand difference to you. Equal dollars, modding a Zr1 to 700+ wheel is not far away. It takes much more to make a reliable 700 wheel in a Z06.
01-31-2012, 02:15 PM
#49
Team Owner
I've owned two Z06s and 1 Zr1. There is not a 133hp difference at the wheels. It's about 75-85. Z06s dyno at about 460 wheel and Zr1s about 535 wheel. With the extra weight of the Zr1 that means very little difference in performance so it just depends on what you want. Is the 75hp and ugly hood window worth the 20 grand difference to you. Equal dollars, modding a Zr1 to 700+ wheel is not far away. It takes much more to make a reliable 700 wheel in a Z06.
The best Z06 run ever, and I am sure 10's of 1000's of Z06's have run down the 1/4 mile, versus the few ZR1's that have done gone down it.
Best trap speed Z06 = 128.90
Best trap speed ZR1 = 133.21
Difference = 4.31 MPH
In drag racing that is HUGE.
Best 1/4 mile ET Z06 = 10.981
Best 1/4 mile ET ZR1 = 10.664
Difference = over 3 tenths.
In drag racing that is a pummeling.
Top Speed Z06 = 198 MPH
Top speed ZR1 = 205 MPH
Difference = 6 MPH
200 MPH club, nuff said.
Time around the 'Ring
Z06 = 7:22.68
ZR1 = 7:19.63
Difference = Over 3 seconds.
All this and a 5 year warranty and a hood that looks .
01-31-2012, 02:39 PM
#50
Race Director
I wish the thread was stock vs. stock, because then it's easier to stay on track. You could modify a C4 to outperform a C6ZR1 if you really wanted to, why anyone would, who knows.
As a Z06 owner, I love my car and am biased toward it
That being said, I think most Z06 owners recognize the fact that there IS a good amount of difference in 638 HP vs. 505HP...and the other goodies the ZR1 offers over a basic Z06 (non CF or Z07 car)
The LS7 is a great motor, and very impressive for being NA. The LS9 is just that much better and with the help of a blower from the factory.
I'd go with the fastest car in STOCK trim you can afford and don't look back.
Can you mod an LS7 to produce great reliable power? Yes, but you can do the same wtih the LS9.
As a Z06 owner, I love my car and am biased toward it
That being said, I think most Z06 owners recognize the fact that there IS a good amount of difference in 638 HP vs. 505HP...and the other goodies the ZR1 offers over a basic Z06 (non CF or Z07 car) The LS7 is a great motor, and very impressive for being NA. The LS9 is just that much better and with the help of a blower from the factory.
I'd go with the fastest car in STOCK trim you can afford and don't look back.
Can you mod an LS7 to produce great reliable power? Yes, but you can do the same wtih the LS9.
01-31-2012, 03:22 PM
#51
Team Owner
I wish the thread was stock vs. stock, because then it's easier to stay on track. You could modify a C4 to outperform a C6ZR1 if you really wanted to, why anyone would, who knows.
As a Z06 owner, I love my car and am biased toward it That being said, I think most Z06 owners recognize the fact that there IS a good amount of difference in 638 HP vs. 505HP...and the other goodies the ZR1 offers over a basic Z06 (non CF or Z07 car)
The LS7 is a great motor, and very impressive for being NA. The LS9 is just that much better and with the help of a blower from the factory.
I'd go with the fastest car in STOCK trim you can afford and don't look back.
Can you mod an LS7 to produce great reliable power? Yes, but you can do the same wtih the LS9.
As a Z06 owner, I love my car and am biased toward it
That being said, I think most Z06 owners recognize the fact that there IS a good amount of difference in 638 HP vs. 505HP...and the other goodies the ZR1 offers over a basic Z06 (non CF or Z07 car) The LS7 is a great motor, and very impressive for being NA. The LS9 is just that much better and with the help of a blower from the factory.
I'd go with the fastest car in STOCK trim you can afford and don't look back.
Can you mod an LS7 to produce great reliable power? Yes, but you can do the same wtih the LS9.
That is why my facts I showed were with totally STOCK Vettes. Once you start modding, everything is out the window, including the warranty......
01-31-2012, 03:36 PM
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Well, dyno numbers are one thing and I think guys are routinly dynoing more than 535, but real numbers do not lie, let us look at them....
The best Z06 run ever, and I am sure 10's of 1000's of Z06's have run down the 1/4 mile, versus the few ZR1's that have done gone down it.
Best trap speed Z06 = 128.90
Best trap speed ZR1 = 133.21
Difference = 4.31 MPH
In drag racing that is HUGE.
Best 1/4 mile ET Z06 = 10.981
Best 1/4 mile ET ZR1 = 10.664
Difference = over 3 tenths.
In drag racing that is a pummeling.
Top Speed Z06 = 198 MPH
Top speed ZR1 = 205 MPH
Difference = 6 MPH
200 MPH club, nuff said.
Time around the 'Ring
Z06 = 7:22.68
ZR1 = 7:19.63
Difference = Over 3 seconds.
All this and a 5 year warranty and a hood that looks .
The best Z06 run ever, and I am sure 10's of 1000's of Z06's have run down the 1/4 mile, versus the few ZR1's that have done gone down it.
Best trap speed Z06 = 128.90
Best trap speed ZR1 = 133.21
Difference = 4.31 MPH
In drag racing that is HUGE.
Best 1/4 mile ET Z06 = 10.981
Best 1/4 mile ET ZR1 = 10.664
Difference = over 3 tenths.
In drag racing that is a pummeling.
Top Speed Z06 = 198 MPH
Top speed ZR1 = 205 MPH
Difference = 6 MPH
200 MPH club, nuff said.
Time around the 'Ring
Z06 = 7:22.68
ZR1 = 7:19.63
Difference = Over 3 seconds.
All this and a 5 year warranty and a hood that looks .
Bill
01-31-2012, 03:42 PM
#53
Team Owner
You forgot about the feeling you get when you are in your Z06 at wide open throttle accelerating from 120+ mph and the ZR1 that has been on your bumper for the last 10 seconds decides to pull out and pass leaving you like your engine stopped. It isn't so much the peak HP its all that torque across the rpm range.
Bill
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01-31-2012, 06:37 PM
#56
Melting Slicks
ALL cars lose value and fast,........from Lambo's to Kia's, prove I'm wrong and I'll send a prize. Z06 can be made fast.....real fast but do you sacrifice driveability?? Probably. ZR1 starts with better platform and has more potential for sure. Holds value better ?.....hell no! Both are lousy as investments so just enjoy them and with whatever route you go with on the mods.
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01-31-2012, 06:46 PM
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01-31-2012, 06:51 PM
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End of story?
I appreciate the point but IMO factory horse power is not necessarily better. Even between factory stock Corvettes one might be better off with the lesser hp, naturally aspirated Z06 versus the forced induction on the ZR1....it depends how you use your car. In general, I'd much rather have a fully built, naturally aspirated Lingenfelter or Katech motor versus a stock Chevy power plant....even over a ZR1 engine. Forced induction is not the be-all end-all for everyone.
What? I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. Both the ZR1 and the Z06 are great cars but it depends what you want out of a car and how you use your car. I don't feel the ZR1 is a "better platform" nor do I feel a ZR1 has more potential than a Z06. In fact, for me it's just the opposite. Much depends on your definition of "drivability" but from my experience modding a car does not mean sacrificing drivability. In fact, modifying a car vastly improves drivability.
You're 100% right about cars losing value. The fickle, rare collector car market notwithstanding, cars are not investments. You own a car for its utility....to drive and enjoy.
What? I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. Both the ZR1 and the Z06 are great cars but it depends what you want out of a car and how you use your car. I don't feel the ZR1 is a "better platform" nor do I feel a ZR1 has more potential than a Z06. In fact, for me it's just the opposite. Much depends on your definition of "drivability" but from my experience modding a car does not mean sacrificing drivability. In fact, modifying a car vastly improves drivability.
You're 100% right about cars losing value. The fickle, rare collector car market notwithstanding, cars are not investments. You own a car for its utility....to drive and enjoy.
I think Wayne O has a point here and with him! I think he means by having a warranty, and you would be in the minority if you would rather have a built motor no warranty versus a warrantied motor if they produced the same hp.
Maybe not, but out of the box, the ZR1 clearly dominates in EVERY performance category, you know that. Potential is a funny word..............I like when they use it on athletes, "but he has/had so much potential".
Maybe not, but out of the box, the ZR1 clearly dominates in EVERY performance category, you know that. Potential is a funny word..............I like when they use it on athletes, "but he has/had so much potential".
Not so sure 'bout "End of story...". One thing is not in the equation: Driver! Sure, both cars are monster, BUT the driving skills is where ALL the marbles lie. That "hook up" is so important, if I were betting on the two mentioned cars, I would bet on the Z06 'cause of hooking up, throttle control is of so much importance!
There are SO many varables here when modding (I'm not going into the pro and cons when you are getting into critical weight area - similar to a fighter, boxer, etc.), for example: Frontal drag area (CD) - tire size (width) in both front and rear, I'm not getting into tire pressure here - we ALL know this is critical for traction - can't overlook it; etc. limits top end speeds. This type of example can go on and go - that's why they fine tune cars for performance, so many variables! It makes NO DIFFERENCE what the mods are, IF YOU CAN'T HOOK UP, you burn a hole to China. I think we ALL AGREE down there on this!
Just NOT THAT SIMPLE!
01-31-2012, 06:53 PM
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Are you hinting at driver skills? I think Wayne O has a point here and with him!
That could be easily debatable; still, the driver would be the "ultimate performance category"! The driver could easily lose this performance category, one aggressive throttle!
Not so sure 'bout "End of story...". One thing is not in the equation: Driver! Sure, both cars are monster, BUT the driving skills is where ALL the marbles lie. That "hook up" is so important, if I were betting on the two mentioned cars, I would bet on the Z06 'cause of hooking up, throttle control is of so much importance!
There are SO many varables here when modding (I'm not going into the pro and cons when you are getting into critical weight area - similar to a fighter, boxer, etc.), for example: Frontal drag area (CD) - tire size (width) in both front and rear, I'm not getting into tire pressure here - we ALL know this is critical for traction - can't overlook it; etc. limits top end speeds. This type of example can go on and go - that's why they fine tune cars for performance, so many variables! It makes NO DIFFERENCE what the mods are, IF YOU CAN'T HOOK UP, you burn a hole to China. I think we ALL AGREE down there on this!
Just NOT THAT SIMPLE!
I think Wayne O has a point here and with him! That could be easily debatable; still, the driver would be the "ultimate performance category"! The driver could easily lose this performance category, one aggressive throttle!
Not so sure 'bout "End of story...". One thing is not in the equation: Driver! Sure, both cars are monster, BUT the driving skills is where ALL the marbles lie. That "hook up" is so important, if I were betting on the two mentioned cars, I would bet on the Z06 'cause of hooking up, throttle control is of so much importance!
There are SO many varables here when modding (I'm not going into the pro and cons when you are getting into critical weight area - similar to a fighter, boxer, etc.), for example: Frontal drag area (CD) - tire size (width) in both front and rear, I'm not getting into tire pressure here - we ALL know this is critical for traction - can't overlook it; etc. limits top end speeds. This type of example can go on and go - that's why they fine tune cars for performance, so many variables! It makes NO DIFFERENCE what the mods are, IF YOU CAN'T HOOK UP, you burn a hole to China. I think we ALL AGREE down there on this!
Just NOT THAT SIMPLE!
With your thinking you can play that with Grand Sport versus Z06.
