My change of heart on run-flat tires vs. regular tires
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I've had blowouts and they've been dramatic, but with room to control the car. The worst was actually a very rapid (but not a blowout, per se) loss of air in a right rear tire, fully loaded car, at night, with very heavy traffic, interstate speeds in all three lanes. I was lucky I felt it. By the time I could get over to the side squeezing out traffic, the tire was on the rim and smoking. It was totally roasted and toasted.
Given the chance to minimize one variable, I'd do it---and that's what a runflat does for those who choose it. There are too many other variables that any driver can't limit, such as the fact that an accident is planned for, nor does it give you warning the morning of.
Neither does a blowout, or rapid air loss. Nor that piece of 3'x3' aluminum that flew out of the TOP of a recycling truck near Key West at 70 mph, crossed three lanes and hit....it didn't cause a blowout but it had its effect...
Given the chance to minimize one variable, I'd do it---and that's what a runflat does for those who choose it. There are too many other variables that any driver can't limit, such as the fact that an accident is planned for, nor does it give you warning the morning of.
Neither does a blowout, or rapid air loss. Nor that piece of 3'x3' aluminum that flew out of the TOP of a recycling truck near Key West at 70 mph, crossed three lanes and hit....it didn't cause a blowout but it had its effect...
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Chassis designed to withstand horrendous impacts, crash resistant fuel cells, roll cages, helmets, Hans devices, fire suits, race suits, on board fire extinguishers, exhaustive safety inspections, track safety crews, on site ambulances/helicopters and probably a bunch of other stuff I am unaware of.
#45
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I have been a licensed diver for 33 years. Had my first blowout two months ago. Ran over a pice of debris on the freeway at 65 mph. Left front tire blown. Steering was stiff but the truck, not my Corvette, was controllable, never touched the brakes until I was off the freeway and ready to slow to a stop.
If the run flat helps keep the driver in control of the car then I am all for having run flats on my car. The Corvette is so low to the ground, I imagine if you get a blow out on non run flats you will probably have body or chasis damage, and how would you get the car off the road, or home?
On a historical note, I believe the Good Year EMT tire was introduced on the C4 in 1994.
If the run flat helps keep the driver in control of the car then I am all for having run flats on my car. The Corvette is so low to the ground, I imagine if you get a blow out on non run flats you will probably have body or chasis damage, and how would you get the car off the road, or home?
On a historical note, I believe the Good Year EMT tire was introduced on the C4 in 1994.
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#47
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If you watch NASCAR you will hear about the "tire within the tire" technology used by all cars on their high speed racecourses. Not really a run flat as we use, but the idea is the same - have a tire let go at speed and still save the car.
I was never about having the wife driving by herself at night and having a flat and having to pull over on thee side of the road. As we worked together and did most everything together, she never drove alone at night. Now that this thread has been discussed, I would put run flats for the wife's car if for no other reason than a rere instance of her driving at night alone and her having the possibility of being forced to stop on the side of the road and risk gremlins hurting her.
I was never about having the wife driving by herself at night and having a flat and having to pull over on thee side of the road. As we worked together and did most everything together, she never drove alone at night. Now that this thread has been discussed, I would put run flats for the wife's car if for no other reason than a rere instance of her driving at night alone and her having the possibility of being forced to stop on the side of the road and risk gremlins hurting her.
#48
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At almost twice the price of non run flats allot of people would love you to believe RF are the best thing since sliced bread. If they were so great I agree, race teams would use them no matter how many other safety features they have.
The only fact here I see is that no one has produced any stats proving the RF are any better than non run flats to me. All I know is I will never be doing 120+ MPH for hours on end and tires that wear twice as fast, have no warranty(goodyears) and cost twice as much lead me down the non run flat road this spring when I look for new tires. I will consider the Pilots, but by no means will I get them based on a race car accident.
The only fact here I see is that no one has produced any stats proving the RF are any better than non run flats to me. All I know is I will never be doing 120+ MPH for hours on end and tires that wear twice as fast, have no warranty(goodyears) and cost twice as much lead me down the non run flat road this spring when I look for new tires. I will consider the Pilots, but by no means will I get them based on a race car accident.
Last edited by Garret; 12-27-2012 at 08:07 AM.
#49
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Question, guys; Can someone give an idea the danger in such a blowout at more like 75mph? I don't track. May be boring to most of you, but I really never get over 70mph. I used to fly airplanes and enjoy adrenaline. After a couple of near death experiences I keep myself safe, especially being a dad twice over since as well. I have little intention of buying run flats when the stock tires are gone. I would have said no intention until reading this, but I do listen. I don't drive with run flats on my other cars. Why should I drive with run flats on a corvette I'm not tracking? My chance of a tire explosion from road hazard is near nil. But if it happened, at 70mph max, how uncontrollable?
Since I had experienced flats before, I slowed down to about 60, and drove it about 10 miles to the dealership.
Even in the curves, you really could not tell I had a flat, it was the driver's side rear tire.
Even with 2 front tire flats, the car drove the virtually the same for normal street driving.
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#51
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So we have the argument that we have no spare in some cars. Okay, really good reason to consider run flats. Possibility of major inconvenience to loved ones, those than are inexperienced or physically not up to the challenge, might be unduly frightened by not knowing what to do.
And then, the likelihood of major accident caused by rapid or explosive decompression.
I'm not sure in what order I'd arrange these.
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#54
Melting Slicks
...from your Edmunds link.
Ironically, TPMS makes the case for run-flats less compelling. Since these systems excel at alerting drivers to underinflation and slow leaks before they can fester and weaken a tire, the likelihood of certain types of blowouts and flat tires is reduced. In making the case for mandatory TPMS, the NHTSA cited tire industry data claiming that 85 percent of tire deflations are slow leaks — some of which go unnoticed and end up as blowouts. The remaining 15 percent are due to sudden ruptures or large punctures. Other industry sources put the sudden rupture percentage even lower than 15 percent.
Ironically, TPMS makes the case for run-flats less compelling. Since these systems excel at alerting drivers to underinflation and slow leaks before they can fester and weaken a tire, the likelihood of certain types of blowouts and flat tires is reduced. In making the case for mandatory TPMS, the NHTSA cited tire industry data claiming that 85 percent of tire deflations are slow leaks — some of which go unnoticed and end up as blowouts. The remaining 15 percent are due to sudden ruptures or large punctures. Other industry sources put the sudden rupture percentage even lower than 15 percent.
#55
Team Owner
We are taking about a very rare occurrence, regarding a blowout, on conventional tires. Especially on the street with lower tire temps.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
Like I have stated before I have never had one in over 48 years of driving and another 35 years behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler.
Scare tactics for the glass half full thinking mentality.
But I will agree that each of us should be comfortable with our tire choice.
Therefore no semi rig has ever blown a tire, and no car has ever had a flat tire.
Last edited by JoesC5; 12-27-2012 at 01:16 PM.
#57
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Runflats
Good friend of mine hit some sort of debris at 150 plus during the Silver State Classic Challenge open road race( www.sscc.us ) in his new ZR1 with Michelin runflats. Tire pressure went to zero very quickly. He was able to get the car stopped in a very safe and controlled manner without incident. There have been several other tire problems/blow outs on that course with much worse results. As a side note, Spring Mountain Motorsports run Michelin runflats on all their Corvettes.
#58
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OK so you've had a license but do you actually drive a car on the highway? Sorry but this sounds like BS to me. I drove 100 miles each way to work for about 4 years and there is $hit laying everywhere on the highway.
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Good friend of mine hit some sort of debris at 150 plus during the Silver State Classic Challenge open road race( www.sscc.us ) in his new ZR1 with Michelin runflats. Tire pressure went to zero very quickly. He was able to get the car stopped in a very safe and controlled manner without incident. There have been several other tire problems/blow outs on that course with much worse results. As a side note, Spring Mountain Motorsports run Michelin runflats on all their Corvettes.
Original Goodyear Gen 1 runflats with 14,000 miles on my 06 Z. I replaced both rears with the same tires and bolted on a new inner fender. No other damage.
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