PAYPAL story
07-26-2013, 01:09 PM
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I am a large commercial eBay seller (Tennis Equipment under name of Just Tennis)
and I LOVE PayPal.
- If PayPal says the transaction is confirmed and I ship to that address with
signature, PayPal will guarantee the transaction.
- Buyer does not have to be a PayPal member, they will directly take credit cards.
- As a buyer I know that PayPal only gives my name and address to the seller.
The seller does not even know the "last 4 of my credit card number". When
you buy something from an unknown web site, how do you know they are
not going to take your credit card number and go buy a new C7? If this
unknown site takes PayPal, you know your information is secure.
- We sell a lot internationally, PayPal accepts payment from more countries,
with guarantees, than any other credit card clearing service.
And on this wheel rip off transaction, you have not seen the other side of it.
maybe this scum bags credit card refund was denied due to signed delivery.
and I LOVE PayPal.
- If PayPal says the transaction is confirmed and I ship to that address with
signature, PayPal will guarantee the transaction.
- Buyer does not have to be a PayPal member, they will directly take credit cards.
- As a buyer I know that PayPal only gives my name and address to the seller.
The seller does not even know the "last 4 of my credit card number". When
you buy something from an unknown web site, how do you know they are
not going to take your credit card number and go buy a new C7? If this
unknown site takes PayPal, you know your information is secure.
- We sell a lot internationally, PayPal accepts payment from more countries,
with guarantees, than any other credit card clearing service.
And on this wheel rip off transaction, you have not seen the other side of it.
maybe this scum bags credit card refund was denied due to signed delivery.
Last edited by rmarks; 07-26-2013 at 01:12 PM.
07-26-2013, 01:22 PM
#23
Melting Slicks
I too deal with this scenario daily as an online merchant. Most buyers have no clue how much credit card fraud happens and some get furious with us when we advise that we only ship to the billing address of their credit/debit card. As the op pointed out, the seller is only covered if they ship to the confirmed address of the cardholder. As we tell our buyers, if you need to have an item shipped to an alternate address, simply add that address to your credit/debit card account with your card issuer. It's simply not worth the risk to do it otherwise.
07-26-2013, 01:33 PM
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Here is the link describing
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...ion-learn-more
07-26-2013, 01:49 PM
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I had my google, eBay, iTunes and Paypal account hacked about 2 years ago. Some guy in Colorado was buying DSLR cameras, Macbook Pros, and hosting website domains using my name and address.
It all started when I got a FedEx note on my door. I knew I didn't order anything, so I looked up the tracking number, got in touch with FedEx. They said it originated from XYZ Corp in Maryland. Turns out there is no corporation in Maryland. About that same time I started to realize that I wasn't getting any emails. Turns out the guy was forwarding all my emails to his account, using other peoples credit cards, and trying to have things shipped to my house. I got the law involved just because I wasn't exactly sure if I should accept the packages or not and was told to just refuse them and tell FedEx to ship to sender.
It all started when I got a FedEx note on my door. I knew I didn't order anything, so I looked up the tracking number, got in touch with FedEx. They said it originated from XYZ Corp in Maryland. Turns out there is no corporation in Maryland. About that same time I started to realize that I wasn't getting any emails. Turns out the guy was forwarding all my emails to his account, using other peoples credit cards, and trying to have things shipped to my house. I got the law involved just because I wasn't exactly sure if I should accept the packages or not and was told to just refuse them and tell FedEx to ship to sender.
07-26-2013, 02:59 PM
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07-26-2013, 05:15 PM
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Le Mans Master
Several years ago someone hacked into a dormant EBay account of mine (100% positive feedback over a couple hundred transactions) and used my account to "sell" over $8,000.00 worth of stereo equipment to several buyers, which of course never showed up. Long story short, myself and the buyers got together and ultimately tracked the dirt bag to an apartment in Federal Way, Washington. We called both the local police and the Secret Service and nothing was done, the criminal was never even picked up for questioning. He basically got away with several thefts equaling over $8,000.00 using my good name and reputation. Sometimes there is no justice....
07-26-2013, 06:21 PM
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Melting Slicks
I had my google, eBay, iTunes and Paypal account hacked about 2 years ago. Some guy in Colorado was buying DSLR cameras, Macbook Pros, and hosting website domains using my name and address.
It all started when I got a FedEx note on my door. I knew I didn't order anything, so I looked up the tracking number, got in touch with FedEx. They said it originated from XYZ Corp in Maryland. Turns out there is no corporation in Maryland. About that same time I started to realize that I wasn't getting any emails. Turns out the guy was forwarding all my emails to his account, using other peoples credit cards, and trying to have things shipped to my house. I got the law involved just because I wasn't exactly sure if I should accept the packages or not and was told to just refuse them and tell FedEx to ship to sender.
It all started when I got a FedEx note on my door. I knew I didn't order anything, so I looked up the tracking number, got in touch with FedEx. They said it originated from XYZ Corp in Maryland. Turns out there is no corporation in Maryland. About that same time I started to realize that I wasn't getting any emails. Turns out the guy was forwarding all my emails to his account, using other peoples credit cards, and trying to have things shipped to my house. I got the law involved just because I wasn't exactly sure if I should accept the packages or not and was told to just refuse them and tell FedEx to ship to sender.
07-26-2013, 06:24 PM
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So, I sold my CCW wheels to a guy in CA on Ebay. We had a few emails back and forth, he paid me with paypal. I went to do the shipping label and he gave me a different address than what was on paypal. It was a business address he was wanting me to ship to..
I researched his name, and the address he wanted me to ship it too and it showed that he did have a business at that address, same name as the person on paypal.
Had a couple more emails, guy said he was putting them on a Matt blue Z06 that was his track car, and he was going to powder coat them black.
I was adamant that I would only ship to the address in paypal, and he said that's fine.
Ship the wheels, check the tracking, wheels got delivered. All good... right????
NOT!
2 months later I get an email from Paypal that he did a charge back on his credit card saying it was an unauthorized purchase on his card... this was for $2000
I filled out the appropriate crap on paypal, with UPS proof of delivery etc, and noted that in order for this to happen,
1. The thief had to hack his Ebay account
2. Hack his paypal account
3. Know his business address
4. Hack his email account
5. Steal his cell phone, as I had his cell number from him too
2 days later Paypal put the money back into my paypal account, saying that since I followed paypal's requirements for shipping and selling, I was covered under there guarantee.
So anyway, my reason for this was, that Paypal can be a good way to accept payment when you sell on here, IF you follow their guidelines.
Ebay Member name is qwiksurf
His real name is Mark Knight, he owns a Matt Blue Z06, probably running around on black CCW T-10 wheels.
I researched his name, and the address he wanted me to ship it too and it showed that he did have a business at that address, same name as the person on paypal.
Had a couple more emails, guy said he was putting them on a Matt blue Z06 that was his track car, and he was going to powder coat them black.
I was adamant that I would only ship to the address in paypal, and he said that's fine.
Ship the wheels, check the tracking, wheels got delivered. All good... right????
NOT!
2 months later I get an email from Paypal that he did a charge back on his credit card saying it was an unauthorized purchase on his card... this was for $2000
I filled out the appropriate crap on paypal, with UPS proof of delivery etc, and noted that in order for this to happen,
1. The thief had to hack his Ebay account
2. Hack his paypal account
3. Know his business address
4. Hack his email account
5. Steal his cell phone, as I had his cell number from him too
2 days later Paypal put the money back into my paypal account, saying that since I followed paypal's requirements for shipping and selling, I was covered under there guarantee.
So anyway, my reason for this was, that Paypal can be a good way to accept payment when you sell on here, IF you follow their guidelines.
Ebay Member name is qwiksurf
His real name is Mark Knight, he owns a Matt Blue Z06, probably running around on black CCW T-10 wheels.
Bill
07-26-2013, 07:34 PM
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Le Mans Master
Several years ago someone hacked into a dormant EBay account of mine (100% positive feedback over a couple hundred transactions) and used my account to "sell" over $8,000.00 worth of stereo equipment to several buyers, which of course never showed up. Long story short, myself and the buyers got together and ultimately tracked the dirt bag to an apartment in Federal Way, Washington. We called both the local police and the Secret Service and nothing was done, the criminal was never even picked up for questioning. He basically got away with several thefts equaling over $8,000.00 using my good name and reputation. Sometimes there is no justice....
I filed a report with the police in my town and told them I was over 99% certain it had happened at a certain restaurant (because of the dates of the charges, etc.), and even the waiter's name. They never did a darn thing about it. My town is not large ... about 45,000 ... but it's an upscale suburban town, and the police have nothing to do except for kids getting into trouble occasionally, speeding tickets, and other minor things. Yet they did nothing.
On another occasion, the same thing happened in Philadelphia. I called the police there after I was home and found out, and the guy basically laughed at me and said they didn't have time for that sort of thing, that they have a murder a day there. (Turns out I should have called the DA; they later busted a huge ring "headquartered" at the hotel I was staying in while there).
So my experience with police forces in the matter of stolen cards and the like is not very favorable.
07-26-2013, 09:14 PM
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Nope, if that was the case he would have filed a complaint to paypal stating non receipt of goods, not that he never authorized the charge. I satisfied paypals criteria for proof of shipping and proof of delivery, otherwise they wouldn't have credited the money back to me.
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07-26-2013, 09:17 PM
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It sucks to be a trusting soul. I purchased a rear spoiler from a forum vendor and just didn't like the way it fit, so I ended up with a GM part. Anyway, I advertised the RPI spoiler on here and sold it to forum member vitalveloc__y from Texas for half of retail. I prepaid shipping and had an agreement with the guy that once he saw the part he would send me a check. Ya, I know....because I am a man of my word I trust too much that others will be also. Anyway, never a dime, despite several emails, proof of delivery, etc. I have his address and the next time I travel to Texas I'm gonna go look him up. I told the Jack that if he didn't like just send it back.
It's a machine silver car.
It's a machine silver car.
07-26-2013, 10:32 PM
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Melting Slicks
Used Paypal many many times, never had a problem. I find it very convienent. I have my PayPal account linked to my business address and I have a separate credit card just for those transactions only. I never transfer money or pay out of my bank account. Guess I've been lucky so far.
07-26-2013, 11:11 PM
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At least he paid $2K for those wheels.
Good lesson to be learned by others David re PayPal.
Good lesson to be learned by others David re PayPal.
07-26-2013, 11:21 PM
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It sucks to be a trusting soul. I purchased a rear spoiler from a forum vendor and just didn't like the way it fit, so I ended up with a GM part. Anyway, I advertised the RPI spoiler on here and sold it to forum member vitalveloc__y from Texas for half of retail. I prepaid shipping and had an agreement with the guy that once he saw the part he would send me a check. Ya, I know....because I am a man of my word I trust too much that others will be also. Anyway, never a dime, despite several emails, proof of delivery, etc. I have his address and the next time I travel to Texas I'm gonna go look him up. I told the Jack that if he didn't like just send it back.
It's a machine silver car.
It's a machine silver car.
07-27-2013, 12:44 AM
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If I ever sell anything online I'm going to require a certified USPS money order sent to me. Otherwise, no deal. Not risking this paypal garbage or any other kind of scam that's going around...
07-27-2013, 06:34 AM
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Used Paypal many many times, never had a problem. I find it very convienent. I have my PayPal account linked to my business address and I have a separate credit card just for those transactions only. I never transfer money or pay out of my bank account. Guess I've been lucky so far.
07-27-2013, 08:04 AM
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It sucks to be a trusting soul. I purchased a rear spoiler from a forum vendor and just didn't like the way it fit, so I ended up with a GM part. Anyway, I advertised the RPI spoiler on here and sold it to forum member vitalveloc__y from Texas for half of retail. I prepaid shipping and had an agreement with the guy that once he saw the part he would send me a check. Ya, I know....because I am a man of my word I trust too much that others will be also. Anyway, never a dime, despite several emails, proof of delivery, etc. I have his address and the next time I travel to Texas I'm gonna go look him up. I told the Jack that if he didn't like just send it back.
It's a machine silver car.
It's a machine silver car.
We've won a couple of claims when products weren't sent.