0 to 60?
11-30-2017, 12:35 PM
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11-30-2017, 04:43 PM
#23
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OK....heres one related to the OP's org question. I'm sure i'm missing something with my old age, but why is it that in some road test they do a 0 - 60 test....and then they will do a rolling test from 5 MPH to 60 MPH. And the 5 MPH rolling test takes longer than a 0 to 60 test. For example.....a car that runs 0 - 60 in 4 seconds will take 4.2 in a 5 - 60 rolling start. What is my old A$$ missing ?
11-30-2017, 05:37 PM
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It may also come down to the skill of the people driving. I know for a fact that Motor Trend, Car & Driver, and Road & Track use professional-level test drivers for all high-0level performance cars. By comparison, when I have looked at pubs like Edmunds, Consumer Reports, Men's Journal, etc. the drivers are most often also the writers, and the times are often shown as 5-60. I also know that GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. are just fine with the top 3 mags wringing the crap out of their test cars, while they often impose limitations on use for many other "testers". That could be why the 5-60, and the slower times, as well.
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11-30-2017, 07:33 PM
#25
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Yea...all good points and probably accurate. But I can't help but wonder just how hard is it to press the pedal to the floor for several seconds depending of course on what your testing. Of course there are the variables to consider....tire spin....etc. You would think there would be more wheel spin from a dead stop ?? And you would think a pro driver could translate his/her skill to a rolling start also ?? But with all things considered, I just can't see how anyone (within reason of course...LOL) couldn't get to 60 faster from a 5 MPH roll then a dead stop......I dunno.....
I read a test on a Shelby Mustang a year or so ago by a newspaper writer. He was the "tester". He was only allowed to do a 5-60, and required to have a "supervising" passenger. It was a hoot to read, as he was all bad-azz about the car, and OMG how fast it was, "I could really have fun with this" type of comments. Those are the guys that go 5-60...hahaha.
12-01-2017, 09:36 AM
#26
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You're welcome:
The time it takes to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph (0 to 97 km/h or 0 to 27 m/s) is a commonly used performance measure for automotive acceleration in the United States and the United Kingdom. In the rest of the world, 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.1 mph) is used. Present performance cars are capable of going from 0 to 60 mph in under 6 seconds, while exotic cars can do 0 to 60 mph in between 3 and 4 seconds, whereas motorcycles have been able to achieve these figures with sub-500cc since the 1990s.[1] The Bugatti Veyron Super Sport World Record Edition was, in 2010, the fastest production street legal car to reach 60 mph from a stop, taking about 2.46 seconds.[2] The fastest automobile in 2015 was the Porsche 918 Spyder, which is a hybrid vehicle taking 2.2[3][4] seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph. In 2017 Tesla unveiled the new Tesla Roadster (2020), claiming that it could go from 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. If true, that would make it the first production vehicle to crack the two-second threshold.[5]
Measuring the 0 to 60 mph speed of vehicles is usually done in a closed setting such as a race car track or closed lot used for professional drivers. This is done to reduce risk to the drivers, their teams, and the public in general. The closed course is set up for test-drives in order to reduce any variables, such as wind, weather, and traction. Each variable can have a dramatic impact on the friction of the track and the drag placed on the vehicle, which will influence the overall 0 to 60 time that is recorded.
The crew sets up accurate and precise measuring tools that are attached to computers. These tools included Doppler radar guns and precise timing instruments that are synchronized. This means that the driver is not worried about keeping time or the exact moment the car hits 60 miles per hour. The driver focuses solely on driving straight and fast with professional quick gear shifting.
The car is timed and recorded going in two separate and opposite directions. This practice eliminates variables such as wind, directional traction of the track and driver performance. The two times are averaged together to achieve the commonly accepted 0 to 60 time.
The time it takes to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph (0 to 97 km/h or 0 to 27 m/s) is a commonly used performance measure for automotive acceleration in the United States and the United Kingdom. In the rest of the world, 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.1 mph) is used. Present performance cars are capable of going from 0 to 60 mph in under 6 seconds, while exotic cars can do 0 to 60 mph in between 3 and 4 seconds, whereas motorcycles have been able to achieve these figures with sub-500cc since the 1990s.[1] The Bugatti Veyron Super Sport World Record Edition was, in 2010, the fastest production street legal car to reach 60 mph from a stop, taking about 2.46 seconds.[2] The fastest automobile in 2015 was the Porsche 918 Spyder, which is a hybrid vehicle taking 2.2[3][4] seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph. In 2017 Tesla unveiled the new Tesla Roadster (2020), claiming that it could go from 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. If true, that would make it the first production vehicle to crack the two-second threshold.[5]
Measuring the 0 to 60 mph speed of vehicles is usually done in a closed setting such as a race car track or closed lot used for professional drivers. This is done to reduce risk to the drivers, their teams, and the public in general. The closed course is set up for test-drives in order to reduce any variables, such as wind, weather, and traction. Each variable can have a dramatic impact on the friction of the track and the drag placed on the vehicle, which will influence the overall 0 to 60 time that is recorded.
The crew sets up accurate and precise measuring tools that are attached to computers. These tools included Doppler radar guns and precise timing instruments that are synchronized. This means that the driver is not worried about keeping time or the exact moment the car hits 60 miles per hour. The driver focuses solely on driving straight and fast with professional quick gear shifting.
The car is timed and recorded going in two separate and opposite directions. This practice eliminates variables such as wind, directional traction of the track and driver performance. The two times are averaged together to achieve the commonly accepted 0 to 60 time.
First time I have read this definition, and I like it.
Although it is date specific.
My 65 GTO with Tri power was over low 6 seconds and at the time considered a Performance car. At least I would think so. And most likely back then anything under 6 seconds could be labeled a exotic, a looser definition by todays standards.
12-01-2017, 10:31 AM
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What I meant in my first reply was that the pro drivers are allowed to do 0-60. The lesser "testers" may be required to do 5-60.
I read a test on a Shelby Mustang a year or so ago by a newspaper writer. He was the "tester". He was only allowed to do a 5-60, and required to have a "supervising" passenger. It was a hoot to read, as he was all bad-azz about the car, and OMG how fast it was, "I could really have fun with this" type of comments. Those are the guys that go 5-60...hahaha.
I read a test on a Shelby Mustang a year or so ago by a newspaper writer. He was the "tester". He was only allowed to do a 5-60, and required to have a "supervising" passenger. It was a hoot to read, as he was all bad-azz about the car, and OMG how fast it was, "I could really have fun with this" type of comments. Those are the guys that go 5-60...hahaha.
.... And in some of these cars 60 MPH comes before it really has a chance to get to squirrely less of course you're on a wet road or some other circumstance which of course then you wouldn't even be out there.
12-01-2017, 11:31 AM
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First time I have read this definition, and I like it.
Although it is date specific.
My 65 GTO with Tri power was over low 6 seconds and at the time considered a Performance car. At least I would think so. And most likely back then anything under 6 seconds could be labeled a exotic, a looser definition by todays standards.
Although it is date specific.
My 65 GTO with Tri power was over low 6 seconds and at the time considered a Performance car. At least I would think so. And most likely back then anything under 6 seconds could be labeled a exotic, a looser definition by todays standards.
The Camaro's and other performance V8 cars had the same 0-60 times, and the Corvettes of the mid 80's were in the 5.8- 6.4 range.
Lesser vehicles were in the 9-11 second range.
I got this from the site https://www.zeroto60times.com/
12-01-2017, 11:39 AM
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OK....heres one related to the OP's org question. I'm sure i'm missing something with my old age, but why is it that in some road test they do a 0 - 60 test....and then they will do a rolling test from 5 MPH to 60 MPH. And the 5 MPH rolling test takes longer than a 0 to 60 test. For example.....a car that runs 0 - 60 in 4 seconds will take 4.2 in a 5 - 60 rolling start. What is my old A$$ missing ?
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12-01-2017, 07:44 PM
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12-02-2017, 08:30 AM
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I was looking at the 80's Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 times. It was in the 6.8 - 7.8 range. It was a little faster than domestic cars of the time, but slow by today's standards. The 328 was in the 5.5 - 6.6 range.
The Camaro's and other performance V8 cars had the same 0-60 times, and the Corvettes of the mid 80's were in the 5.8- 6.4 range.
Lesser vehicles were in the 9-11 second range.
I got this from the site https://www.zeroto60times.com/
The Camaro's and other performance V8 cars had the same 0-60 times, and the Corvettes of the mid 80's were in the 5.8- 6.4 range.
Lesser vehicles were in the 9-11 second range.
I got this from the site https://www.zeroto60times.com/
And I have seen 5.8 also listed with the Tri power motor, with the 4 barrel being another .7 slower.
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12-02-2017, 02:35 PM
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This site has the fastest time I have seen for the 1065 GTO, a surprising 4.6. The car enthusiast mags had it in the lower 6 second area. Doesn't mention which engine though.
And I have seen 5.8 also listed with the Tri power motor, with the 4 barrel being another .7 slower.
And I have seen 5.8 also listed with the Tri power motor, with the 4 barrel being another .7 slower.
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12-02-2017, 03:38 PM
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I believe the difference can be explained with a manual transmission car, where the launch RPM can be high enough in the powerband to get that initial hit of acceleration before the engine gets drug back down to the driveline gearing, versus being fully in gear with full clutch engagement at 5 mph and being lower in the RPM and power band.
12-02-2017, 09:16 PM
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This site has the fastest time I have seen for the 1065 GTO, a surprising 4.6. The car enthusiast mags had it in the lower 6 second area. Doesn't mention which engine though.
And I have seen 5.8 also listed with the Tri power motor, with the 4 barrel being another .7 slower.
And I have seen 5.8 also listed with the Tri power motor, with the 4 barrel being another .7 slower.
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12-04-2017, 07:27 AM
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12-04-2017, 09:49 AM
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That's right.....doh
12-04-2017, 05:09 PM
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Okay, I googled it and found it was 3.9 with a quarter mile time of 13.8. 5.8 sounds about right. The car was a "ringer", being tuned and prepped by Royal Pontiac. The year before, Pontiac gave Car and Driver a '64 GTO, which turned 12.8 and 4.6. This car was a ringer also; instead of a 389, it had 421 stuffed with SD internals, and tuned by Royal to Bobcat specs.