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Old 03-03-2018, 12:56 PM
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What is the brake fluid you all use when on a road course
Old 03-03-2018, 01:24 PM
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Motul 600 or Castrol SRF. I use Castrol SRF myself, but it isn't cheap. Motul will work just fine.
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Old 03-03-2018, 04:09 PM
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Valvoline dot4. If you have to ask, you're not fast enough to even need that, you just need new fluid. But it's cheap and available everywhere.

Buy cheap dot3 or 4 and make sure your fluid is fresh before every track weekend and you'll be happier and never notice a difference.
Old 03-03-2018, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mordeth
Motul 600 or Castrol SRF. I use Castrol SRF myself, but it isn't cheap. Motul will work just fine.
I second this. Both are fantastic. I buy Motul by the case these days.
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I had the local oil change joint change it out with their best Synth DOT 4.
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Old 03-04-2018, 11:52 AM
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This would also be an excellent question in this sub-forum as well:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...roadracing-23/

Lots of threads about road course stuff and great, knowledgeable people!
Old 03-04-2018, 09:25 PM
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Motul 600, its easy to get. Most motorcycle shops carry it.
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Old 03-05-2018, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeCsix
Motul 600, its easy to get. Most motorcycle shops carry it.
Although Motul RBF600 is the best Dot 4 fluid with the highest boiling point for guys that will get the fluid close to boiling points each track event (dry boiling point 594F/401 wet), it's a little expensive at close to $65 a quart, and over kill for the novice once in a blue moon autocros'r still running street pads that may never get the brake fluid close to that boiling point isntead.


Walmart has Castrol dot 4 (dry boiling point of 509F) for about $20 a quart, as well as Preston that is the same boiling point (dry 510F) and the same price in the end, but wallmart only carriers it in the 12oz bottle isntead
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-B...1918#read-more

Note, stay away from the Valvoline 3&4 highbreed, since it has a lower dry boiling point of 480F instead.



And yes, you want to power bleed the old fluid out after the weekend event, since the closer you get to the boiling point of the fluid, the more its going to wick in the humidly moisture out of the air, to cause more water in the fluid, dropping the boils point of fluid closer to it wet point instead.

P.s, the service manual calls out for the brake and clutch fluids to be power bleed changed every two years for street use; for the same moisture water problem in the fluid too. It just due to racing causing the fluid to get hotter than say street use, that excels the rate of which the fluid is going to adsorb moisture instead.

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Old 03-06-2018, 08:55 AM
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RBF 600. I use it for my clutch too
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RBF600 for an HPDE/fun in mountains car
Castrol SRF for a TT/W2W/Sanctioned bodied race car.

That reasoning is for cost as I would not spend SRF money on a DE/fun car.
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When I was running SCCA and IMSA we would boil the best DOT 5 silicone fluid you could buy in the early 1980's if you were not careful. When the fluid boils the brakes go away and you have to start using the transmission which is much more, risky at best. We would change fluid after every practice or qualifying session. I agree that Motul is very good. If you are running long races you need to be easy on the brakes to make it to the checkerd flag in one piece.
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Originally Posted by cmonkey713
When I was running SCCA and IMSA we would boil the best DOT 5 silicone fluid you could buy in the early 1980's if you were not careful. When the fluid boils the brakes go away and you have to start using the transmission which is much more, risky at best. We would change fluid after every practice or qualifying session. I agree that Motul is very good. If you are running long races you need to be easy on the brakes to make it to the checkerd flag in one piece.
Why not use Wilwood Racing brake fluid. High boiling point n used by a large contigent os SCCA racers. Worked well in my GT-1 Corvette.
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Originally Posted by Bob3700
Why not use Wilwood Racing brake fluid. High boiling point n used by a large contigent os SCCA racers. Worked well in my GT-1 Corvette.
Wilwood EXP is a very good fluid as well, but it more expensive than RBF600. Plus, if you really need a fluid with this high of a boiling point, then you going to be power flushing between each event instead.
So throw in qualifier runs where you are pushing even harder that you will in any race, and you going to be going threw gallons of the fluids each weekend with all the flushes isntead.

So we need to back this up, and get down to nitty-gritty of someone just getting into HDPE events on a stock car, where about the only thing they need to do is change out the brake pads to ones like the powerstops they will not burn up for the event, and power flush the old fluid out after the week end is over with something like new Dot 4 , all while keeping the cost down as well.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ds-review.html


As for if the point comes that you start running R6's (or another tire with that much track grip, over a standard dot road tire) with their increased grip, then a hell of lot better fluid since you will be braking even harder, even higher race temp pads will be needed, as well as wheel hubs since you will trashing the OEM in record time flat to due the increase torque to the hubs on cornering too.
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Price of Motul:

Amazon Amazon

Slightly higher at your local motor cycle shop.
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good boiling point chart.

https://www.lelandwest.com/brake-flu...ison-chart.cfm
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Motul 600
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Originally Posted by mikeCsix
Price of Motul:

https://www.amazon.com/Motul-RBF-Rac.../dp/B005UGKKW2

Slightly higher at your local motor cycle shop.
Hey Mike, so is nonsynthetic or synthetic recommended?

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Old 03-08-2018, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TomdaToolman
Hey Mike, so is nonsynthetic or synthetic recommended?
You’re confusing the use of synthetic fluid (which nearly all are these days) with Silicone brake fluid. The two types do not mix.

Our cars use DOT 3, DOT 4, or DOT 5.1. DOT 5 is Silicone.
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A good read of the options and values from many suppliers.

BRAKE FLUID FOR DUMMIES

*Currently up to 83 different brands.

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Originally Posted by TomdaToolman
Hey Mike, so is nonsynthetic or synthetic recommended?
Dot 4, what 96GS mentioned. Never the Silicone versions. I'm more concerned with temperature range and frequency of replacement than synthetic or non-synthetic. Motul has always worked well for me even when I've faded my brake pads (XP-10's) during burnishing sessions.

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