Vitesse for drag racing? Is it worth it?
#21
Le Mans Master
Dude I am not here to debate how it works or your intelligence in the matter , what I am here to debate is that it works when used to help with launching the car when traction conditions are not optimal as the OP asked ....
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
Last edited by Dcasole; 05-20-2018 at 07:28 AM.
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#22
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I appreciate that you know and love the Vitesse
Dave
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#23
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I'm running Michelin PSS. I'm trying to avoid having to buy a second set of tires until I get out to Arizona just so I have less to move.
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I assume you're familiar with acceleration/deceleration ramps used on stepper motors for CNC machinery. In this case, it's a rate change between the ramps that is being controlled, therefore the full range is maintained and WOT always exists. The eco mode merely flattens the angle or stretches the rate to create the same effect as rolling into the throttle or slipping the clutch. It controls the rate far more smoothly than a human.
#25
Le Mans Master
I run the same tires in ZP version on both my C6 and C7 , get them hot but don't do a funny car burnout otherwise they get greasy . I go around the water box and do a quick 2,000 RPM burnout to get them hot
In the C6 , I left the nannies on , I would set the Vitesse to 0 to 3 depending on grip brake torque it to 1200 RPM just to preload , on the last yellow I would walk the throttle to the floor . If I did not walk the throttle my tires would instantly go up in smoke . It took me a while to learn
I only ran my C7 3 times so far this year and used Launch control and completive mode all three times , first time , no burnout , just pull up to the line , set launch control and bam out of the box I got a 1.7 60 ft time . I messed with other techniques like heating the tires and was rewarded with 2.0 60 ft times lol lol
Everybody is telling me that a C7 is faster not using launch control so that will be my next experiment
With yours it will be a combination of leaving the nannies on till you get better at launching , walking the throttle and riding the clutch , it takes practice that's for sure
here is one of those nights where i could do no wrong ( THANKS HOXXOH … ) I was smoke everybody off the line ….
Dave
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Ed , our Friday night test and tunes are also "no track" prep so its tricky, some nights I could do no wrong and other nights I would get crappy 60ft times no matter what I did
I run the same tires in ZP version on both my C6 and C7 , get them hot but don't do a funny car burnout otherwise they get greasy . I go around the water box and do a quick 2,000 RPM burnout to get them hot
In the C6 , I left the nannies on , I would set the Vitesse to 0 to 3 depending on grip brake torque it to 1200 RPM just to preload , on the last yellow I would walk the throttle to the floor . If I did not walk the throttle my tires would instantly go up in smoke . It took me a while to learn
I only ran my C7 3 times so far this year and used Launch control and completive mode all three times , first time , no burnout , just pull up to the line , set launch control and bam out of the box I got a 1.7 60 ft time . I messed with other techniques like heating the tires and was rewarded with 2.0 60 ft times lol lol
Everybody is telling me that a C7 is faster not using launch control so that will be my next experiment
With yours it will be a combination of leaving the nannies on till you get better at launching , walking the throttle and riding the clutch , it takes practice that's for sure
here is one of those nights where i could do no wrong ( THANKS HOXXOH … ) I was smoke everybody off the line ….
Dave
I run the same tires in ZP version on both my C6 and C7 , get them hot but don't do a funny car burnout otherwise they get greasy . I go around the water box and do a quick 2,000 RPM burnout to get them hot
In the C6 , I left the nannies on , I would set the Vitesse to 0 to 3 depending on grip brake torque it to 1200 RPM just to preload , on the last yellow I would walk the throttle to the floor . If I did not walk the throttle my tires would instantly go up in smoke . It took me a while to learn
I only ran my C7 3 times so far this year and used Launch control and completive mode all three times , first time , no burnout , just pull up to the line , set launch control and bam out of the box I got a 1.7 60 ft time . I messed with other techniques like heating the tires and was rewarded with 2.0 60 ft times lol lol
Everybody is telling me that a C7 is faster not using launch control so that will be my next experiment
With yours it will be a combination of leaving the nannies on till you get better at launching , walking the throttle and riding the clutch , it takes practice that's for sure
here is one of those nights where i could do no wrong ( THANKS HOXXOH … ) I was smoke everybody off the line ….
Dave
#27
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I tried running with traction control on the first time I was out, and I ran crap times all night long because I kept spinning the tires in first and second, the traction control kicked in, and the engine bogged down. Last time I was out I ran with it off and was able to get into the high 12's. My problem is I'm losing about a half second or so from spinning at the launch. I was hoping the Vitesse would help with the wheel spin at launch. If I can nail that I'll easily be in the low 12's on street tires.
again , it takes a lot of practice but once you get it
Dave
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Dude I am not here to debate how it works or your intelligence in the matter , what I am here to debate is that it works when used to help with launching the car when traction conditions are not optimal as the OP asked ....
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
What I do not adhere to, is people giving it definitely works like this without quaranteed proof! As for you and Tom, you are a wealth of
knowledge on here and I always appreciate your input, especially on drag racing. Sorry if I upset anyone.
#29
Le Mans Master
Mate, i'm not trying to be smart as I said in a previous post. I want the answer myself. Sure. I could just test the inputs to outputs in the different settings, but i'de rather just e-mail Vitesse for the answer.
What I do not adhere to, is people giving it definitely works like this without quaranteed proof! As for you and Tom, you are a wealth of
knowledge on here and I always appreciate your input, especially on drag racing. Sorry if I upset anyone.
What I do not adhere to, is people giving it definitely works like this without quaranteed proof! As for you and Tom, you are a wealth of
knowledge on here and I always appreciate your input, especially on drag racing. Sorry if I upset anyone.
Dave
#30
Dude I am not here to debate how it works or your intelligence in the matter , what I am here to debate is that it works when used to help with launching the car when traction conditions are not optimal as the OP asked ....
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
#31
Dude I am not here to debate how it works or your intelligence in the matter , what I am here to debate is that it works when used to help with launching the car when traction conditions are not optimal as the OP asked ....
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
And I also subscribe to the KISS Principle...if you are an engineer then you would be smart enough to just pop off the intake hose and see what it does instead of trying to impress everybody with your intelligence
It's open at 100% WOT no matter what the setting, it's just slows the ramp down in economy settings . Take a look for yourself .....
Dave
Oh, My name is Brian which you could of found in my profile instead of insulting me calling me DUDE.
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For an A6, used properly, it'd help on a poorly prepped track. IMHO for a M6, it's not for the casual or occasional drag racer. It's not going to help your clutch/throttle foot work until you have that part mastered and by then you'll feel you won't need it.
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More seat time it is then.
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Here's my thoughts...
As a big time drag racer at Englishtown for many yrs, Corvette Challenge Champion, 11.50 Index Champion, Modern Muscle Champion, etc., I think using the Vitesse could be a great thing...
Getting to WOT FAST off the line is a good thing..
I launch @ 1800 rpms, and then mash it, so power braking and then being able to get to WOT quicker, to me is a keen advantage as the VTC decreases actual pedal travel in order to get to WOT.
If you're spinning at SP9, you're not heating the tires up enough, or using the wrong tires!
SP9 is the same as SP0 (stock) once the pedal is mashed, except at SP9, you'll get WOT about 1/2 way down instead of all the way to the floor..
Now I haven't tried this as I used to race my C5, but thats my thoughts in case anyone is reading.. haha..
As a big time drag racer at Englishtown for many yrs, Corvette Challenge Champion, 11.50 Index Champion, Modern Muscle Champion, etc., I think using the Vitesse could be a great thing...
Getting to WOT FAST off the line is a good thing..
I launch @ 1800 rpms, and then mash it, so power braking and then being able to get to WOT quicker, to me is a keen advantage as the VTC decreases actual pedal travel in order to get to WOT.
If you're spinning at SP9, you're not heating the tires up enough, or using the wrong tires!
SP9 is the same as SP0 (stock) once the pedal is mashed, except at SP9, you'll get WOT about 1/2 way down instead of all the way to the floor..
Now I haven't tried this as I used to race my C5, but thats my thoughts in case anyone is reading.. haha..
#38
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I think you are talking past each other. The is a math problem and the equation is V(output)= is V(input)^1/Gamma(desired response shape curve). An inverse correction is mathematically being applied to the input voltage to achieve a desired curve shape or response curve. Even though there is an analog to digital to analog conversion, this is an analog to analog conversion.
This is almost identical to video and voltage input vs. light output. As desired response curve/s are being generated based on math, Vitesse is using 9 different exponents to generate the 9 different power response curves..
Video math: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction
And Negative is the appropriate term for anything less than a gamma exponent of 1.
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Here's my thoughts...
As a big time drag racer at Englishtown for many yrs, Corvette Challenge Champion, 11.50 Index Champion, Modern Muscle Champion, etc., I think using the Vitesse could be a great thing...
Getting to WOT FAST off the line is a good thing..
I launch @ 1800 rpms, and then mash it, so power braking and then being able to get to WOT quicker, to me is a keen advantage as the VTC decreases actual pedal travel in order to get to WOT.
If you're spinning at SP9, you're not heating the tires up enough, or using the wrong tires!
SP9 is the same as SP0 (stock) once the pedal is mashed, except at SP9, you'll get WOT about 1/2 way down instead of all the way to the floor..
Now I haven't tried this as I used to race my C5, but thats my thoughts in case anyone is reading.. haha..
As a big time drag racer at Englishtown for many yrs, Corvette Challenge Champion, 11.50 Index Champion, Modern Muscle Champion, etc., I think using the Vitesse could be a great thing...
Getting to WOT FAST off the line is a good thing..
I launch @ 1800 rpms, and then mash it, so power braking and then being able to get to WOT quicker, to me is a keen advantage as the VTC decreases actual pedal travel in order to get to WOT.
If you're spinning at SP9, you're not heating the tires up enough, or using the wrong tires!
SP9 is the same as SP0 (stock) once the pedal is mashed, except at SP9, you'll get WOT about 1/2 way down instead of all the way to the floor..
Now I haven't tried this as I used to race my C5, but thats my thoughts in case anyone is reading.. haha..
Haha! I was just scrolling up from the bottom of the page, and read this post and was saying this guy knows what he talking about, and then I saw it was ME who posted it!!!!!