How much less would you pay....?
#21
Le Mans Master
Oh boy, 919, JJ1...I am not a buyer for any pre-owned damaged car or lot damaged new car.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
Last edited by Kenny94945; 09-20-2018 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Spelling
#22
Melting Slicks
Oh boy, 919, JJ1...I am not a buyer for any pre-owned damaged car or lot damaged new car.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
#24
Instructor
Thread Starter
I am of different mind.
My comments can be controversial, but that's my opinion when a Vette is body or engine damaged.
Is the OP a buyer or seller?
Me as a buyer...I would not consider, would have to be very attractive discount 50-75% off.
Again I would not personally buy.
There are to many non-story/ painted cars available to choose from.
A $3K to $5K reduction is not attractive for the future resale risk and paint issues.
Me as a seller...I'd feel f**cked.
I'd would have traded in immediately and gotten diminished value
hoping that the sales price and DM equated to the total value.
There is a formula for DM based on the repair cost and I guess that formula answer will answer that
part of the OPs question.
Sorry to read about the not the OPs fault accident.
My comments can be controversial, but that's my opinion when a Vette is body or engine damaged.
Is the OP a buyer or seller?
Me as a buyer...I would not consider, would have to be very attractive discount 50-75% off.
Again I would not personally buy.
There are to many non-story/ painted cars available to choose from.
A $3K to $5K reduction is not attractive for the future resale risk and paint issues.
Me as a seller...I'd feel f**cked.
I'd would have traded in immediately and gotten diminished value
hoping that the sales price and DM equated to the total value.
There is a formula for DM based on the repair cost and I guess that formula answer will answer that
part of the OPs question.
Sorry to read about the not the OPs fault accident.
The accident happened almost 4yrs ago. We just stopped at a red light and 2-3 seconds later his lights started getting closer and closer until he bumped me. I had pumped my brakes trying to get his attention but no luck.
I inquired about diminished value but was given bad advise by a couple people and shame on me that I didn't do any research beyond the 2 people I talked to. One person said I couldn't get diminished value (he said insurance companies don't do that) and the other person said I would have to sell it right away and I had only purchased the car about 6 months earlier and put around 1-2K miles on the car. I didn't want to sell at that point and try to find a replacement as I was very happy with the car and the fix was excellent (and I can be very picky when something is damaged and I have it repaired). Usually I always find something to be unhappy with but I had no complaints at all.
I wasn't sure if this was going to show up on CarFax or not and found out it does when I went to trade it in the other week. They never asked me if it was in an accident but regardless I can't lie about that or hide that fact. I do have the pics of the damage and the estimate. I cannot find the final bill but I do need to get a copy of it. The dealer did have a wholesaler come out to look at the car and offered more than the dealer did. He asked who did the work and said they did an excellent job and that he couldn't tell even by touching the car and looking closely. I didn't take the offer as I was given one day to decide and I hadn't heard back from the insurance company and figured they would want to see the car to evaluate it. I was/am holding out to hopefully get the diminished value from the insurance company. I am suppose to hear from them tomorrow. We shall see what they say. I don't have a high expectation as I am sure they don't want to pay anything I imagine. One can hope it will be a reasonable offer.
#25
Instructor
Thread Starter
This is what I would hope for as it was just cosmetic and as someone else posted that a lot of brand new cars from the dealerships have work done to them as they get damaged from transporting. If you drive your car it is going to most likely get some sort of damage from road debris. Usually a rock chip here or there. It happens. Like others have said, it all depends on what they are buying it for.
#26
Instructor
Thread Starter
That's what I told the guy who hit me. Some people wouldn't even look at it and others it may not bother but I am pretty sure that they would use it as a negotiation tool.
#27
Instructor
Thread Starter
The accident on the report will state damage in terms of MINOR, MODERATE, MAJOR, and also mention if it had to be towed away. If it really was listed as Minor, with the pics to back it up, expecting more than a ~$1k drop or so is a bit silly and that's only because no matter how minor it was, it still shows as a 1 accident vehicle once a claim is made.
Keep in mind these forums aren't indicative of your average vehicle owner so the opinions will be very different. I would not be trying to sell it on here, that's for sure . If someone offered me 20% less for my car because it had a 2mph bump with a couple hundred dollar spiderweb repair on the back bumper I would laugh in their face. 20-30% depreciation is what the going rate for salvage/rebuilt title cars are. It's a Chevy, not a Ferrari. A repainted rear bumper from a fender bender isn't going to drop the value $5k.
I bought and sold used cars for a couple years and went to auctions a few times with the buyers so I understand the market a bit better than a normal consumer who buys or sells a car every 5-10 years. Note that often even brand new cars with 0 miles can have paint work done to them or even swapped body panels. Many are damaged, scratched, or bumped during transport to the dealership or while they are on the lot with kids and teens running through them and opening doors into the car next to them. Do you think they discount them? Heck no. They get their paint work done on site and are right back on the lot...it is MUCH easier to blend and hide body work on a brand new car that hasn't faded or gotten and paint damage yet so 99% of people would never even notice.
Keep in mind these forums aren't indicative of your average vehicle owner so the opinions will be very different. I would not be trying to sell it on here, that's for sure . If someone offered me 20% less for my car because it had a 2mph bump with a couple hundred dollar spiderweb repair on the back bumper I would laugh in their face. 20-30% depreciation is what the going rate for salvage/rebuilt title cars are. It's a Chevy, not a Ferrari. A repainted rear bumper from a fender bender isn't going to drop the value $5k.
I bought and sold used cars for a couple years and went to auctions a few times with the buyers so I understand the market a bit better than a normal consumer who buys or sells a car every 5-10 years. Note that often even brand new cars with 0 miles can have paint work done to them or even swapped body panels. Many are damaged, scratched, or bumped during transport to the dealership or while they are on the lot with kids and teens running through them and opening doors into the car next to them. Do you think they discount them? Heck no. They get their paint work done on site and are right back on the lot...it is MUCH easier to blend and hide body work on a brand new car that hasn't faded or gotten and paint damage yet so 99% of people would never even notice.
#28
Instructor
Thread Starter
Oh boy, 919, JJ1...I am not a buyer for any pre-owned damaged car or lot damaged new car.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
Especially with paint work!
I gather my comment was not clearly written for the forum.
As stated I am of different mind as an owner/ buyer not "flipper"/ buyer, race car/ buyer.
I am not dreaming; I am not buying.
I was correct with my use of the word controversial in describing my comment.
#29
Race Director
What I'd do in your case is drive the crap out of it, put 100k miles on it, and never worry about it again. That damage wont matter with a bunch of miles on it.
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#30
Racer
I'll add another comment I didn't think of in my previous post. My wife had a TSX years ago and when in for service at the dealer and they closed a garage door on the roof. they fixed it of course and looked good as new - but now it had a record. They did Cover the service for free (~$500) and I believe a few more oil changes to cover diminished value. We kept it until it was a $5k car and didn't matter. But the idea of diminished value is real.
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^ To go along with the highest rates in the country. Awesome...
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