the C7 is AGONIZING
03-24-2019, 08:09 AM
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It is unfortunate that even now, more than 5 years later, certain individuals just can't control themselves and continue to disparage another generation Corvette and spew vitriol, as if their own choice wasn't evidence enough of what they either prefer or can afford. They find it necessary to go out of their way to offer unsolicited negativity, in the adolescent form of spewed-out garbage without regard to camaraderie or the shared adoration most of us here have to our beloved cars. Very sad. I personally love all Corvettes and would never go out of my way to insult or denigrate one. Every single one I see turns my head and every single one I encounter I spend time to admire. Whether at the track, on the road or at a show.
My brother-in-law has a C6 Base. I have a C6Z and and C7Z. He purchased the C6 base because he also loves Corvettes and that is what he could afford. It is a gorgeous, capable car that I heap sincere praise on every time he comes over with it. I told him if he ever wants to sell it that I'm first in line, as I love the clean lines, sculptured curves and confident posture of his car. Never would I disparage his Corvette just so I can feel better about myself and my own choices. And one of my closest friends has a C6ZR1 and a C7ZR1. He treats me and my cars the same way I treat my brother-in-law's, with sincere admiration and respect. If he has a negative opinion then I've never heard it, and he has never attempted to make me feel like my cars are any less beautiful or capable than his (even though both of his cars are both of those things).
"I prefer the styling of the C6 generation" is vastly different than saying "XX generation is butt ugly, agonizing, hate it etc". One is a statement of preference and the other is a self-aggrandizing, puerile attempt at post-purchase rationalization typically uttered by those with small, unsure minds who repeat it to feel better about themselves via insults and negativity. To continue to utter and repeat such idiocy for years on a site dedicated to Corvettes is embarrassing and shameful. Grow up.
My brother-in-law has a C6 Base. I have a C6Z and and C7Z. He purchased the C6 base because he also loves Corvettes and that is what he could afford. It is a gorgeous, capable car that I heap sincere praise on every time he comes over with it. I told him if he ever wants to sell it that I'm first in line, as I love the clean lines, sculptured curves and confident posture of his car. Never would I disparage his Corvette just so I can feel better about myself and my own choices. And one of my closest friends has a C6ZR1 and a C7ZR1. He treats me and my cars the same way I treat my brother-in-law's, with sincere admiration and respect. If he has a negative opinion then I've never heard it, and he has never attempted to make me feel like my cars are any less beautiful or capable than his (even though both of his cars are both of those things).
"I prefer the styling of the C6 generation" is vastly different than saying "XX generation is butt ugly, agonizing, hate it etc". One is a statement of preference and the other is a self-aggrandizing, puerile attempt at post-purchase rationalization typically uttered by those with small, unsure minds who repeat it to feel better about themselves via insults and negativity. To continue to utter and repeat such idiocy for years on a site dedicated to Corvettes is embarrassing and shameful. Grow up.
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03-24-2019, 09:16 AM
#42
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csf I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I can understand if the styling isn't appealing to you, but I would say the C7 still looks like a Corvette, or at the very least it's not any more radically different from the previous gen than what has happened in the past. C1 to C2 was a pretty big change in the styling department, so was C3 to C4. Not to mention other well-known, long-running nameplates have had even bigger shakeups throughout history. For example the Foxbody Mustang looks less like a Mustang than any other generation. Maybe if you've spent years seeing that body style all the time it can be tough to shake the perception of it, but if you had never seen a Mustang at all before and I lined up 1 from each generation, the Foxbody would be such an outlier. The Camaro is similar; the f-body looks like it has nothing in common with the 1st gen Camaro other than the number of wheels and doors. Porsche's 911 is an exception to this rule, and people have made fun of it for years for that.
Corvette styling has always been heavily influenced by the styling of the era. The shift from early 50's to the style of the late 50's is apparent in the C1, the C2 is very 60's, and so on. The angles and creases on the C7 are just a manifestation of the angry, aggressive styling trend in the car industry today. Personally I like it, so if you run into someone selling one for 50% off please let me know
Corvette styling has always been heavily influenced by the styling of the era. The shift from early 50's to the style of the late 50's is apparent in the C1, the C2 is very 60's, and so on. The angles and creases on the C7 are just a manifestation of the angry, aggressive styling trend in the car industry today. Personally I like it, so if you run into someone selling one for 50% off please let me know
Jeep once put square headlights on the Wrangler. Porsche once put teardrop headlights on the 911. And as you pointed out the Mustang and Camaro have been through some crazy design changes. None of these are looked favorably on today. So I think only time will tell how the C7 is viewed.
One thing is for sure . . . the C7 is an upgrade over the C6, as it should be. If a buyer likes the looks there is no doubt its a great sports car. I have never for a minute thought or posted a C7 was a bad car. But as I have posted, at 6'2 and 230 lbs the C7 felt much tighter inside then my C6. So I was always out, regardless of styling. The thing I don't get is the people who say the C6 is dated. I have a C6 GS coupe and I still think it looks pretty good. And I notice Ferrari is still using round taillights.
03-24-2019, 09:58 AM
#44
Melting Slicks
I know that they've got auto transmission problems with that car. I wouldn't want to screw with that considering chevy dealers. I prefer manuals anyway but that must be a wide gate with 7 speeds.
Interior is nice, I suppose the electronics is reliable enough.
Interior is nice, I suppose the electronics is reliable enough.
03-24-2019, 10:39 AM
#45
Team Owner
It is unfortunate that even now, more than 5 years later, certain individuals just can't control themselves and continue to disparage another generation Corvette and spew vitriol, as if their own choice wasn't evidence enough of what they either prefer or can afford. They find it necessary to go out of their way to offer unsolicited negativity, in the adolescent form of spewed-out garbage without regard to camaraderie or the shared adoration most of us here have to our beloved cars. Very sad. I personally love all Corvettes and would never go out of my way to insult or denigrate one. Every single one I see turns my head and every single one I encounter I spend time to admire. Whether at the track, on the road or at a show.
My brother-in-law has a C6 Base. I have a C6Z and and C7Z. He purchased the C6 base because he also loves Corvettes and that is what he could afford. It is a gorgeous, capable car that I heap sincere praise on every time he comes over with it. I told him if he ever wants to sell it that I'm first in line, as I love the clean lines, sculptured curves and confident posture of his car. Never would I disparage his Corvette just so I can feel better about myself and my own choices. And one of my closest friends has a C6ZR1 and a C7ZR1. He treats me and my cars the same way I treat my brother-in-law's, with sincere admiration and respect. If he has a negative opinion then I've never heard it, and he has never attempted to make me feel like my cars are any less beautiful or capable than his (even though both of his cars are both of those things).
"I prefer the styling of the C6 generation" is vastly different than saying "XX generation is butt ugly, agonizing, hate it etc". One is a statement of preference and the other is a self-aggrandizing, puerile attempt at post-purchase rationalization typically uttered by those with small, unsure minds who repeat it to feel better about themselves via insults and negativity. To continue to utter and repeat such idiocy for years on a site dedicated to Corvettes is embarrassing and shameful. Grow up.
My brother-in-law has a C6 Base. I have a C6Z and and C7Z. He purchased the C6 base because he also loves Corvettes and that is what he could afford. It is a gorgeous, capable car that I heap sincere praise on every time he comes over with it. I told him if he ever wants to sell it that I'm first in line, as I love the clean lines, sculptured curves and confident posture of his car. Never would I disparage his Corvette just so I can feel better about myself and my own choices. And one of my closest friends has a C6ZR1 and a C7ZR1. He treats me and my cars the same way I treat my brother-in-law's, with sincere admiration and respect. If he has a negative opinion then I've never heard it, and he has never attempted to make me feel like my cars are any less beautiful or capable than his (even though both of his cars are both of those things).
"I prefer the styling of the C6 generation" is vastly different than saying "XX generation is butt ugly, agonizing, hate it etc". One is a statement of preference and the other is a self-aggrandizing, puerile attempt at post-purchase rationalization typically uttered by those with small, unsure minds who repeat it to feel better about themselves via insults and negativity. To continue to utter and repeat such idiocy for years on a site dedicated to Corvettes is embarrassing and shameful. Grow up.
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03-24-2019, 11:36 AM
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And honestly, I think Chevrolet just made too damned many of them.
Add to the fact that it seems like Chevrolet has been ****-teasing everyone for what seems like years about the mid-engine C8.
03-24-2019, 02:07 PM
#48
Instructor
The greatest Corvette sales numbers of all time were during the C4 era. Followed by the C7 sales. I guess I must be massively in the minority because when the C-4 came out I was highly disappointed in the way it looked. When the C7 came out I was highly disappointed in the way it looked. No it may have taken 30 years but evidently I was a purveyor of things to come because I don't think you can spend $25,000 for a C4 nowadays and that would have been for a ZR1. Which by the way was a $50,000 option or so. This at a time when a rare C3 might bring a quarter of a million dollars. And it shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence when talking about quality versus a C4 C5 C6 or C7. There are C fives that bring good money. There are C6 that bring good money. I suppose time will tell but the trend does not bode well for the C7 holding value. And yet they sold like hotcakes.
The C6 was a generation at a time where the economy was absolute crap. Early C5's sold extremely high numbers but the C6 was a victim of the times. 2005-2012 were not good years for peoples spending habits as a whole in the US. High fuel prices, defunct loans, job cuts...etc.
So I wouldn't say its related to the appearance of the cars. People will buy a corvette regardless of the looks if they can afford one. As long as its the American sports car.
03-24-2019, 03:25 PM
#49
Team Owner
I would directly relate that to the state of the economy at those times. In the 90's, people were willing to buy expensive flashy toys as the country was in money making mode with tech booms. Just like the last 5-7 years today since the recession. Jobs are plentiful and people are making money now.
The C6 was a generation at a time where the economy was absolute crap. Early C5's sold extremely high numbers but the C6 was a victim of the times. 2005-2012 were not good years for peoples spending habits as a whole in the US. High fuel prices, defunct loans, job cuts...etc.
So I wouldn't say its related to the appearance of the cars. People will buy a corvette regardless of the looks if they can afford one. As long as its the American sports car.
The C6 was a generation at a time where the economy was absolute crap. Early C5's sold extremely high numbers but the C6 was a victim of the times. 2005-2012 were not good years for peoples spending habits as a whole in the US. High fuel prices, defunct loans, job cuts...etc.
So I wouldn't say its related to the appearance of the cars. People will buy a corvette regardless of the looks if they can afford one. As long as its the American sports car.
If I compare C6 sales to C7 sales, and I try to factor it with the economy, I agree with you on some of that point but I just don't think the economy was that much better in the C7 era. Maybe peoples spending habits change the minute they have $5 in their checking, who knows. But the C7 sales ran roughly double what they did in the C6 era. That's a great thing, don't get me wrong. But I also think it had to do with the C7 not being a massive increase in price, almost like the value was better. And actually the price of a ZO6 came down as I recall. Then again in 2014, people came right out of the gate and paid retail like it was nothing. And if they financed, some did it at a horrifying rate.
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03-26-2019, 07:16 AM
#57
Melting Slicks
Its so ridiculous when older generation owners knock newer ones...as if GM didn't make huge improvements over each generation... Oh by the way - I own a C6 and a C7 - so dont think Im bashing the C6 - but there is no comparison to the C7...period.
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03-26-2019, 10:21 AM
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You took the words right out of my mouth...very true.. HAHAHA Its so ridiculous when older generation owners knock newer ones...as if GM didn't make huge improvements over each generation... Oh by the way - I own a C6 and a C7 - so dont think Im bashing the C6 - but there is no comparison to the C7...period.
Its so ridiculous when older generation owners knock newer ones...as if GM didn't make huge improvements over each generation... Oh by the way - I own a C6 and a C7 - so dont think Im bashing the C6 - but there is no comparison to the C7...period.
03-26-2019, 10:28 AM
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A+ thread... quality content.
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03-26-2019, 11:53 AM
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I actually wish that I liked the c7z styling as I would buy one..I’ve tried to like the style....the overproduction of the c7z06 has really made them a bargain. I could overlook all the overheating problems, overweight problems,transmission problems,and wheel problems but I just can’t overlook the polarizing styling....it looks horrible to me. They wanted to woo the younger crowd with this style and I guess that now makes me old because I don’t care for it.