Patrick McDaniel

With European Z06 Corvettes spotted last week on a trailer it seems time to start talking about Nürburgring Nordschleife circuit.

7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001)
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (07/2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (12/2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)

http://www.supercarfreak.net/forum/s...9&page=1&pp=20

Reports earlier in the year had the Z06 5 seconds faster than a C6 on a 1.5 mile course. I believe Nürburgring Nordschleife circuit is about 14.1 miles.

Is it remotely possible the Z06 could get close to the $450,000 Porsche Carrera GT? It would need to beat the C6 time by a little over 1 sec/mile.

The Porsche Carrera GT is stronger and lighter(100hp and 100pounds) but the 0-60 times are about the same. (The Z06 has more torque)

If Chevrolet was to get the times close to the 7:40 mark I think it would rattle the Porsche world.

vetteship

What is a Chevrolet Corvette CE Z06 ?

roushraven

Commemorative Edition

korvetkeith

Dam you man, you had my hopes up.

1Day

How stupid of comparison is this?

you are comparing time of a wet and cold track vs a regular track condition for the Z06...i mean look at it..wet and cold makes the timing really bad, otherwise the GT posted 7:28 time not 7:40 and for the Z06 to beat the C6 by 1sec a mile, thats a lot..i would say more like 1/2 a sec(just pure edu guess) and hence the time would be in the high 40s more like 46-48..anyhow just wanted to point the comparison was not right

rockettc

Unless something has changed, Dave Hill was quoted as cryptically saying that the lap times for the C6 "would not be as good" as the C5 Z06 at the 'Ring. He said this on the "Ask Dave Hill" area on another corvette web site (www.crossedflags.com).

Is there an official time now for the C6 or is this one of those internet "facts" that has a life of its own?

1Day

its still not clear if its a fact or fact which has a life of its own...

rockettc

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Time to call mythbusters. By the way, I've corrected the spelling of the website. It is www.crossedflags.com.

terrychopper

7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but Dave Hill is not a race driver. He is an engineer, even if he is a capable driver, it's very unlikely he's going to be posting the best lap times for the vette that there is. So not only is the time suspect, so is the driver quoted.

terrychopper

I love how people disregard the fact the Carerra GT is street car born from a discarded Le Mans race program. It sits extremely low, the crankshaft even sits super low with the help of a tiny 6.7" diameter clutch. All helps lower the cars center of graivty which imporves performance. It has carbon matalic brakes, less weight, more HP, and is mid engined. There is no freaken way the C6 Z06 is going to get near the times that car does.

Of course the C6 Z06 will be a insane performer how could it not given it's specs, but it's specs aren't anywhere near the Carrear GT, well maybe it's dry sump oil system is close...

Patrick McDaniel

This site doesn't try to make excuses for track conditions for the Porsche Carrera GT run of 7:40. That doesn't mean the conditions weren't poor.

http://www.nordschleife.no/

As with many things on the internet (facts) should be suspect. I have not been able to verify the C6 Corvette lap time.

Regardless, if a Corvette gets close to a Porsche Carrera GT lap time I say that is big news.

barondw

A special BMW X5, that's right the SUV, did a lap in 7.49. Many of the cars listed are special race cars although the Porcshe Carrera GT is a street car as some others.

It just proves that the Z06 is not the fastest car in the world. But so what its still a kick to drive.

ajindfw

Doubt it. . .making fast cars is easier now and with CAD/CAM it is more economically feasible for manufacturers. We'll see the gap close quite a bit over the upcoming years, and we'll see street cars get closer to the times posted by purpose-built race cars. Improvement of technology is a fact of life. Don't be surprised if a few cars from different manufacturers approach and beat 7:40 in the very near future.

People who buy CGTs and Enzos tend to have several performance cars and the people who build these cars are aware of this fact. When concieved, the cars were technology showcases, which makes them special forever due to exclusivity but only for about 3-5 years due to technology.

trumper Z06

BRUHAAAHAAAAHAAA someone's got to be KIDDING!!!

Who in HELL... thinks David Hill's driven any Corvette on a Hot Lap at the ring for... " TIME " ???

When are you guys gonna accept that David Hill has said...

GM has NOT run a C-6 for time at the Ring ?

IMO.. The new C-6 Z06 will be timed... and will likely lap well under 7minutes 50 seconds !!!
I would LUV to see the C-6 Z06 break into the 7'30'ssss, but chances of that happening are extremely remote!

Scissors

As I recall, I predicted 7:45 a while back. Hopefully I'm wrong and guessed high.

trumper Z06

YEP!!! I would ...BET ON IT !!!

Just want to see you keep your Perfect Record string... going !!!

Ryan Bell

Commemorative Edition C5 Z06 (2004)

terrychopper

This makes me laugh. The Carerra GT is born from a dropped Le Mans racing program. It's pretty much a race car turned street car. It sits super low, it even uses a super small 6.7" diameter clutch that lets the motor sit super low. This all means lower center of gravity which means great handling. The car has more HP, less weight, massive ceramic brakes and is mid engine. There is little chance the Z06 will come near its time (relatively speaking).

I'm still skeptical of those ring times going around on the vette let alone the fact they quote Dave Hill as the driver. He must be one capable engineer LOL.

That said it is 100% true auto designers have figured out what makes sports cars work and the gap keeps getting smaller for overall performance. Case in point, a 355HP Porsche 997 is lapping the ring in the 8min mark. Super cars from just a few years ago couldn't even do it that with much more HP.

I hope there is an official posting of the C6 Z06 Ring time, I suspect it won't be close to what others here are hoping for.

AFVETTE

I don't believe Dave Hill ever drove a "timed lap" there. Somebody prove me wrong.

Tom

Crushinator

I think we'll see the new Z in the mid to low 7.40's on regular tires. I think anything better than that will require some form of racing tire. The new Z will be a phenominal car, but I'm pretty sure it won't run on the Carrera GT's coat-tails.