[ZR1] Mid engine next generation
12-12-2006, 08:29 PM
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Why put words in my mouth, just read what I wrote. Having said that, the cost to build isn't much more. Do you think the AL in a F car cost more than the AL in a vette?
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12-12-2006, 08:30 PM
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Oh, c'mon. You know full well what is meant -- and you OUGHT to know full well that putting the engine behind the driver will change the handling dynamics, BIGTIME, compared to the current not-really-mid-engined-except-by-obtuse-and-functionally-meaningless-definitions layout. You want to throw around jargon? Here's some for you: LOW POLAR MOMENT OF INERTIA. That means it changes direction wicked fast. Coolest thing ever, if you know how to handle it. A quick trip into the guardrail if you don't. The current layout -- by pushing the engine and trans to opposite edges of the inside-the-axles envelope -- greatly mutes this tendency. Concentrating the mass closer to the car's center would enhance it.
I would love to see a proper mid-engined Vette. Personally, I think it would be the greatest thing ever, and I'll buy the first manual-trans example I see and spend the next several years scaring the crap out of the local Ferraristi. But I don't know if it's a good idea to be selling 'em to the Joe Fatbutts who still make up a dismayingly large percentage of Vette buyers, even if they lard it up with electronic nannies.
I would love to see a proper mid-engined Vette. Personally, I think it would be the greatest thing ever, and I'll buy the first manual-trans example I see and spend the next several years scaring the crap out of the local Ferraristi. But I don't know if it's a good idea to be selling 'em to the Joe Fatbutts who still make up a dismayingly large percentage of Vette buyers, even if they lard it up with electronic nannies.
For all the advantages that rear mid-engine cars have on the track it is a fact that it is easier for amateurs to drive quickly with a front mid-engine car. The advantages of rear mid-engine can only be taken advantage of by highly skilled drivers. Also there is the luggage space issue. Modern design for rear mid-engine cars does not leave much room for luggage.
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12-12-2006, 08:54 PM
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Oh, c'mon. You know full well what is meant -- and you OUGHT to know full well that putting the engine behind the driver will change the handling dynamics, BIGTIME, compared to the current not-really-mid-engined-except-by-obtuse-and-functionally-meaningless-definitions layout. You want to throw around jargon? Here's some for you: LOW POLAR MOMENT OF INERTIA. That means it changes direction wicked fast. Coolest thing ever, if you know how to handle it. A quick trip into the guardrail if you don't. The current layout -- by pushing the engine and trans to opposite edges of the inside-the-axles envelope -- greatly mutes this tendency. Concentrating the mass closer to the car's center would enhance it.
I would love to see a proper mid-engined Vette. Personally, I think it would be the greatest thing ever, and I'll buy the first manual-trans example I see and spend the next several years scaring the crap out of the local Ferraristi. But I don't know if it's a good idea to be selling 'em to the Joe Fatbutts who still make up a dismayingly large percentage of Vette buyers, even if they lard it up with electronic nannies.
I would love to see a proper mid-engined Vette. Personally, I think it would be the greatest thing ever, and I'll buy the first manual-trans example I see and spend the next several years scaring the crap out of the local Ferraristi. But I don't know if it's a good idea to be selling 'em to the Joe Fatbutts who still make up a dismayingly large percentage of Vette buyers, even if they lard it up with electronic nannies.
....well said.....
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12-13-2006, 03:08 PM
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For all the advantages that rear mid-engine cars have on the track it is a fact that it is easier for amateurs to drive quickly with a front mid-engine car. The advantages of rear mid-engine can only be taken advantage of by highly skilled drivers. Also there is the luggage space issue. Modern design for rear mid-engine cars does not leave much room for luggage.
12-16-2006, 12:06 AM
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I've seen this stated 3 times now in this thread. I can easily carry (2) sets of golf clubs + 1 medium sized bag + 1 laptop in the back boot, and 2 more medium sized bags in the front boot. How much more do you possibly need out of a 2-seat mid-engine sports car??
12-16-2006, 12:10 AM
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12-16-2006, 12:44 AM
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I would like a Z07 Vette that is mid-engined for the enthusiast and the base C7 vanilla model front engine for all others....but that is probably 2 separate model types, as opposed to an upgrade option.
12-16-2006, 12:13 PM
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12-16-2006, 12:34 PM
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Not all of those car are "Spyders". You can get them either way, and either way they have very little room for gear. And who says all of the above listed are "the world's best sports car"? We all know they're awesome in every way, but to sit there and say that people who buy them have "so much money that they needn't care about stowage space" is way outside of the scope of this thread. And a ridiculous angle to take as well.
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12-16-2006, 08:53 PM
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If you read McLellan's book you know there's a Corvette mid-engine concept out there now. It's the Morrison/Mosler MT900. They're racing in Europe. Corvette Mike Vietro delivered the first 50-state legal U.S. production MT900 to George Lucas (yeah, that one) a couple of weeks ago in San Francisco. Vadar black. About $200k.
12-16-2006, 10:00 PM
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If you read McLellan's book you know there's a Corvette mid-engine concept out there now. It's the Morrison/Mosler MT900. They're racing in Europe. Corvette Mike Vietro delivered the first 50-state legal U.S. production MT900 to George Lucas (yeah, that one) a couple of weeks ago in San Francisco. Vadar black. About $200k.
12-17-2006, 10:17 AM
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There's more to it here ....I won't buy another Vet until it becomes a mid engine the c5 and c6 are more "dumb bell" than all the other years. Included is to much weight on a live axle and the center balance is simply moved to each end of a beam. The only way the vet is to become world class is to make the mid engine. Remember the days when most of us raced slot cars if you built a slot car with the scaled down weights of a c5 or a c6 there would be no chance of beating a c1 c2 c3 or c4 let alone a mid engine. The later models are basically made for the portly american buying public who are happy with less than world class.....ever wonder why europe and japan have little interest in the present car. I know everyone thinks c5/6 is great but if they were put against a serious mid engine would be like racing nascar where trucks can be made to handle and making horse power is never an issue.
12-17-2006, 10:32 AM
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I'm not keen on the engine being behind the driver. Their noisy and hot and I understand it took Porsche engineers many years to solve overheating problems. Relying on side vents to get air into the engine bay is tricky business. Corvette has cleverly achieved a near 50/50 weight distribution in the C5 and C6 by locating the tranny in the rear. C6 ZO6 is at 3.7 sec 0-60 and turing 11's in the quarter not to mention it is a formidible weekend circular track racer able to take out Ferrari's and Lambos. forget the mid-engine and give me:smash that great shape shown in the previous post. 
12-18-2006, 05:56 PM
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It is my opinion that not having a mid-engine has nothing to do with sales overseas. Japan is into sliding and tuner cars that are Asian made and Europe is the same way about their Porsches and BMW's. It's all about national pride and we're the best. It does not matter to them that C6R beat the pants off their cars race after race. It doesn't matter that the C5 ZO6 was the first Ameican made sports car to do uner 8 minutes at the "Ring". That is exptic car speed. What's surprising is it still does not matter even though the C6 is about half the price.
12-18-2006, 07:32 PM
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Hey Ony, can we get a front and side view of this fabulous shape. If you produced this in photoshop you are a real talent in my book. GM should waste no time getting you on the design team. My only concern is that they may not be able to pay you what your worth
12-19-2006, 07:52 PM
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Actually, the car above was drawn by Kyle Teichert and he posted it on the CorvetteForum.com October 4, 2002. It is a tweaked Cadillac Cien V-12 show car:
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01-14-2007, 09:55 AM
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