[Z06] I had to defend the Z06
01-05-2008, 05:35 PM
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I had to defend the Z06
My latest Motor Trend (Feb) had another overdose of GT-R Kool-Aid. Below is my letter to the editor...
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
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01-05-2008, 05:46 PM
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My latest Motor Trend (Feb) had another overdose of GT-R Kool-Aid. Below is my letter to the editor...
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
01-05-2008, 05:49 PM
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When you write your "I told you so" letter, be sure to post it
We all know you will have a winner with your second letter.
We all know you will have a winner with your second letter.
01-05-2008, 06:01 PM
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The extra 700 lbs. have to make a big difference. My '94 ZR-1 weighs 3500 lbs. with 405 hp. and everybody said that it was way to heavy back in it's day. The GT-R is a formidal machine, but it's no match for a Z06 in the power to weight comparision.
01-05-2008, 06:05 PM
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01-05-2008, 06:10 PM
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Admittedly I am curious about the new GT-R!
Is it just something like a WRX on steroids or is it really a formidable opponent to the C6 Z06?
Honestly I don't see how it could be in anything other than a 0-70 race.
As stated above, we just won't know until they have actually hit the streets and we can see real world results.
I think most folks would agree that most of the car mags aren't worth a damn these days. Too many pockets being padded...
Disclaimer: I'm a CAR guy! I don't care if it's a FORD, Chevy, Dodge, or Nissan... If it's sporty, powerful, and even a little unique, then I can certainly appreciate it!
Is it just something like a WRX on steroids or is it really a formidable opponent to the C6 Z06?
Honestly I don't see how it could be in anything other than a 0-70 race.
As stated above, we just won't know until they have actually hit the streets and we can see real world results.
I think most folks would agree that most of the car mags aren't worth a damn these days. Too many pockets being padded...
Disclaimer: I'm a CAR guy! I don't care if it's a FORD, Chevy, Dodge, or Nissan... If it's sporty, powerful, and even a little unique, then I can certainly appreciate it!
01-05-2008, 06:10 PM
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Seems to be heavily UNDERATED. Dyno #'s are showing just north of 450awhp. It traps just over 120mph so a C6Z should still be quicker from a roll stock for stock. Not the best looking car in my opinion but thats all that is opinions.
01-05-2008, 06:25 PM
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I did not understand or agree with the posted times. You can not get around the laws of physics. The Nissan will be a terror out of the hole with the 4 wheel drive, but once past the hook up speed of a Z I do not see anything but a GTR in the rear view mirror. As for the "record" track times I'm not on board with that either. Somethings will change, either HP rating going up or speed results going down.
01-05-2008, 09:13 PM
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I wouldn't be to quick to bash the GTR. To many have do so with the Z06, saying it was a straight line car.
It's not always about who's faster from a dig or a quarter mile. It comes down to the overall performance on the road course.
Even if the numbers are close to the Z06, that would be enough of an accomplishment for a 4 seater & AWD with the extra weight.
Let's wait and see what tomorrow brings.
It's not always about who's faster from a dig or a quarter mile. It comes down to the overall performance on the road course.
Even if the numbers are close to the Z06, that would be enough of an accomplishment for a 4 seater & AWD with the extra weight.
Let's wait and see what tomorrow brings.
01-05-2008, 10:18 PM
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01-05-2008, 10:33 PM
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by the way I kinda agree with this statement taken from another forum. Not trying to start the flame war just intresting read.
Realizing that the Z06 uses some unique materials, yet still utilizes a relatively low tech power train (from an engineering standpoint) and uses very few computer nannies to keep it all in control, yet still manages to cost $73K-$79Kish. The Z06 is a true testament to American Iconic cars.
Then I remembered that NISSAN utilizes an immense amount of high tech materials and a host of computers to create an Iconic Japanese grand touring beast for slightly less to slightly even the amount of cash as the Z06 costs. So my statement is this…
NISSAN uses SIX SIGMA lean process engineering to develop the coolest most capable grand touring vehicle, using every known computer monitoring devise known to man and does it for the same price as a Z06, because Six Sigma lean extrapolates the highest amount of quality per cost spent to create a product, there by making a developed product the most cost effective deliverable. Chevrolet unfortunately does not use SIX SIGMA lean process engineering, they do use SIX SIGMA, but a much lower degree of it to engineer and build the Z06. So essentially, if NISSAN had built the Z06 using SIX SIGMAN lean process engineering, squeezing every bit of quality per efficiency out of each part, then we’d all be looking at a Z06 in the $55K - $60K market.
What is my point… NISSAN has beaten the Z06 on the data sheets, and put allot more in the GT-R for the same price of the Z06. This is huge because it shows how ingenious a company can be to compete both in performance and in price, and it shows us what is needed for a US automaker to compete on both the price and product / performance field.
Realizing that the Z06 uses some unique materials, yet still utilizes a relatively low tech power train (from an engineering standpoint) and uses very few computer nannies to keep it all in control, yet still manages to cost $73K-$79Kish. The Z06 is a true testament to American Iconic cars.
Then I remembered that NISSAN utilizes an immense amount of high tech materials and a host of computers to create an Iconic Japanese grand touring beast for slightly less to slightly even the amount of cash as the Z06 costs. So my statement is this…
NISSAN uses SIX SIGMA lean process engineering to develop the coolest most capable grand touring vehicle, using every known computer monitoring devise known to man and does it for the same price as a Z06, because Six Sigma lean extrapolates the highest amount of quality per cost spent to create a product, there by making a developed product the most cost effective deliverable. Chevrolet unfortunately does not use SIX SIGMA lean process engineering, they do use SIX SIGMA, but a much lower degree of it to engineer and build the Z06. So essentially, if NISSAN had built the Z06 using SIX SIGMAN lean process engineering, squeezing every bit of quality per efficiency out of each part, then we’d all be looking at a Z06 in the $55K - $60K market.
What is my point… NISSAN has beaten the Z06 on the data sheets, and put allot more in the GT-R for the same price of the Z06. This is huge because it shows how ingenious a company can be to compete both in performance and in price, and it shows us what is needed for a US automaker to compete on both the price and product / performance field.
01-06-2008, 12:06 AM
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Six Sigma is not the the only solution to quality by design, nor does it guarantee your product will be the cheapest. If this were the case, why isn't every Nissan the cheapest in its class? Market dynamics will play a bigger role in determining the final price more than anything. GM's R&D cost for the Corvette is paid for mostly by the sale of 99.5% of it's cars, since the Corvette is only about 0.5% of all GM automobile sales. Even if these percentages are slightly off, better utilization of Six Sigma will not significantly lower the price of any Corvette.
01-06-2008, 12:26 AM
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lean six sigma dillemma
by the way I kinda agree with this statement taken from another forum. Not trying to start the flame war just intresting read.
Realizing that the Z06 uses some unique materials, yet still utilizes a relatively low tech power train (from an engineering standpoint) and uses very few computer nannies to keep it all in control, yet still manages to cost $73K-$79Kish. The Z06 is a true testament to American Iconic cars.
Then I remembered that NISSAN utilizes an immense amount of high tech materials and a host of computers to create an Iconic Japanese grand touring beast for slightly less to slightly even the amount of cash as the Z06 costs. So my statement is this…
NISSAN uses SIX SIGMA lean process engineering to develop the coolest most capable grand touring vehicle, using every known computer monitoring devise known to man and does it for the same price as a Z06, because Six Sigma lean extrapolates the highest amount of quality per cost spent to create a product, there by making a developed product the most cost effective deliverable. Chevrolet unfortunately does not use SIX SIGMA lean process engineering, they do use SIX SIGMA, but a much lower degree of it to engineer and build the Z06. So essentially, if NISSAN had built the Z06 using SIX SIGMAN lean process engineering, squeezing every bit of quality per efficiency out of each part, then we’d all be looking at a Z06 in the $55K - $60K market.
What is my point… NISSAN has beaten the Z06 on the data sheets, and put allot more in the GT-R for the same price of the Z06. This is huge because it shows how ingenious a company can be to compete both in performance and in price, and it shows us what is needed for a US automaker to compete on both the price and product / performance field.
Realizing that the Z06 uses some unique materials, yet still utilizes a relatively low tech power train (from an engineering standpoint) and uses very few computer nannies to keep it all in control, yet still manages to cost $73K-$79Kish. The Z06 is a true testament to American Iconic cars.
Then I remembered that NISSAN utilizes an immense amount of high tech materials and a host of computers to create an Iconic Japanese grand touring beast for slightly less to slightly even the amount of cash as the Z06 costs. So my statement is this…
NISSAN uses SIX SIGMA lean process engineering to develop the coolest most capable grand touring vehicle, using every known computer monitoring devise known to man and does it for the same price as a Z06, because Six Sigma lean extrapolates the highest amount of quality per cost spent to create a product, there by making a developed product the most cost effective deliverable. Chevrolet unfortunately does not use SIX SIGMA lean process engineering, they do use SIX SIGMA, but a much lower degree of it to engineer and build the Z06. So essentially, if NISSAN had built the Z06 using SIX SIGMAN lean process engineering, squeezing every bit of quality per efficiency out of each part, then we’d all be looking at a Z06 in the $55K - $60K market.
What is my point… NISSAN has beaten the Z06 on the data sheets, and put allot more in the GT-R for the same price of the Z06. This is huge because it shows how ingenious a company can be to compete both in performance and in price, and it shows us what is needed for a US automaker to compete on both the price and product / performance field.
It is a development strategy deference between GM and Nissan not a production methodology. Six Sigma is all about reducing defects in production not grade of materials or technical aids to achieve a specific unit performance outcome
01-06-2008, 01:34 AM
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My latest Motor Trend (Feb) had another overdose of GT-R Kool-Aid. Below is my letter to the editor...
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
"I chuckled when Motor Trend printed (without question) Nissan’s claim that the GT-R is “the world’s fastest sub-$100,000 car.” A quick review of the specs reveals the 480 HP GT-R weighs 700 pounds more than the 505 HP Corvette Z06, which can be purchased for $72K, the same price of the GT-R. The all-wheel drive GT-R may beat the Z06 off the line, but the Z06 with its superior power-to-weight ratio will have no problem quickly reeling in the GT-R. That is, unless Nissan has another magic button on the GT-R’s dash to atomize its extra 700 pounds of bulk!"
01-06-2008, 01:37 AM
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Now tell me what is "high tech" about the Nissan.
01-06-2008, 02:42 AM
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