04_Z06_CE

Only way anything gets settled!
Get em' to that famous Mexico track and run a 50 to 160 and call it a day...

SnakeBitten

Lankhoss

The numbers don't make sense to me. While I "think" the ZR1 should be faster than the Viper to 150, the thing that strikes me as being odd is more how it stacks up to the Z06. That's less than half a second faster than 0 - 150 in the Z06. Also, I can't believe it is taking the ZR1 5.4 seconds to get from 127 to 150?????

I can see a ZR1 and GenIV Viper being pretty close in the quartermile, but I'm astonished at the bad 150mph time for the ZR1.

thegame

STOCK FOR STOCK !! What if the Viper gets an intake and tune also? Comparing modded cars to stock cars is pointless.

thegame

This is quite interesting because with that supercharger and new close ratio 6 speed I assumed the ZR1 would be much faster than those cars. How is the vette posting slower times than a stock 08 Viper coupe with a lower power to weight ratio?

redknight

The close ratio six speed is actually hurting the 0-150 times. The zr1 was faster to 140 but then has to shift before 150 unlike the viper. To 186 the zr1 is almost 10 seconds faster than the 08 viper.

The gt2 and ford gt have aero (at least in frontal area) and gearing advantages over the zr1. (not to mention the gt makes almost as much power as a zr1 despite being rated almost 100 hp less.)

thegame

Good points!! Thanks

pdd000

weres all the viper boys to say iT aint so

SSphantom

While the GT2 might not be quite as fast as a ZR1, it's still retarded fast.

I agree that the GT2 has to make more than advertised. The GT2 is actually faster to 100 mph than the Carerra GT even though the GT has more power and it's lighter.

redknight

I was talking about the ford gt. I think the gt2 makes power as advertised but has other top end advantages.

Lankhoss

Wow, that same article has the new Viper trapping 123 in the quarter mile???? That's terrible, it looks more like a time from a Gen 3.

Also, 0 - 100km/h in 4.5 seconds?? Those are some of the worst numbers I've ever seen.

SnakeBitten

You'd be hard pressed to find a European Viper test with good numbers. European Automotive press generally hates the Viper and its reflected in alot of tests they do with it. As you mentioned those numbers are way off the stateside results we see. Gotta be either deliberate bias, like Clarkson beating the hell out of the tires etc then running laps, or octane rating or emission regs robbing power. I hate excuses but something deffinately is wrong with these figures.

Also dont know if they do the same thing as they did with the Gen II Vipers but I remember reading that the gen II's got neutered due to there emission regulations so it didnt make 450hp. Maybe the same thing happens to the new Vipers as well with there emissions regs. Dont think it would beat the ZR1 to 200mph but it should be a hell of alot closer than this test makes it look like if it is indeed making the advertised power.

Lankhoss

Agreed.

I don't trust the side by side comparison, nor the numbers from this site. I just don't see how the ZR1 lost 2 SECONDS from 140mph to 150mph because it had to shift to 5th.

I also don't see it beating the Viper by 10 seconds to 300km/h.

Hopefully there will be some more mag tests on these cars.

Leonie

Nooo, they are totally unbiased...
But they also do not like the Vette, so the "zero - to..." numbers of any Vette in German mags are also not always the optimal ones...

But after 60mph, they should be quite accurate! Well, they are used to SMG and DKG and F-1 and E-Gear now, so they always say "hard to shift trannies" to a manual trans, but as a Viper and the Vette use about the same one, there should not be much of a difference??

What I wanted to say, any Viper to Vette comparos at the same day by the same mag after 60mph should be useful??

Well, might be they dislike the Viper even more than the Vette... (shifting even slower)

Right, the GTS made 411 PS here, which converts to about 405 net h.p. like the 2002+ Z06, which also has 411 PS in a German title..

For that (and other reasons), beeing a big fan of American car mags, I remember how I got the Car & Driver comparing the (450h.p.) Viper GTS with a 993 Turbo S (and an NS-X?)..

The Porsche was faster to sixty of course, at about 100 the Viper covered up lost ground, and afterwards raped the Porsche to 150!!

Best, Bernd