[Z06] C6 Z06 vs 911 GT2
07-08-2009, 10:20 PM
#1
Melting Slicks
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C6 Z06 vs 911 GT2
I was surprised to see so many videos about how bad the new 911 GT2 beat the C6 Z06. Don't get me wrong here, the 911 GT2 is an AWESOME car, but with a slight advantage in power to weight ratio, why was it beating the z06 so handily like in the Autocar review.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
07-08-2009, 11:38 PM
#2
Safety Car
They also tried that with the ZR1 vs GT2. The Gt2 again ate the Corvette out the hole at least 3-4 car lengths but the ZR1 came roaring back and lost by 1-2 car lengths at the end. Then the driver of the Zr1 acknowledged that he will beat the GT2 from a roll on. No contest....the ZR1 steadily pulled away. Seems like the ZR1 could use the new launch control that's installed in the new Grand Sports to compete with these exotic cars from a dead stand still. Anyway, the GT2 is a beast. The test car driver of the GT2 never acknowledged the fact that the ZR1 is a faster car. He only said, "ZR1 one, GT2 one it's a tie". So to us and those who doesn't know better, go figure.
07-09-2009, 02:45 AM
#3
Just another data point, but on a road course with my Z06 (which does have an alignment, MPSC tires, cold air intake & muffler, plus Sparco seat & harness), a GT2 driver (who is also a PCA instructor) couldn't keep up with me. He started pushing me on the first 2 laps as I got some heat in my tires but as I sped up we became more even. They have some serious grunt on the straights, but overall he couldn't do anything with me and I slowly pulled away once my tires were up to temp. So on a road course we can still have fun with them...
BTW there were also several GT3's and 997 TT's at that same event, and they fell farther back faster.
BTW there were also several GT3's and 997 TT's at that same event, and they fell farther back faster.
07-09-2009, 07:22 AM
#4
Safety Car
So what? Magazines are fulla crap. Journalists, including automotive journalists, and especially foreign automotive journalists, are anti-American and will use any excuse, justified or otherwise, to bash America, Americans, and American products. This is not new. Stop paying attention to them.
07-09-2009, 09:06 AM
#5
Le Mans Master
And if if & buts were candy & nuts every day would be Christmas....They test the cars the way they are produced. I wouldn't care less that the GT2 gets 3 less mpg highway were I lucky enough to have one.
07-09-2009, 01:06 PM
#7
Drifting
I was surprised to see so many videos about how bad the new 911 GT2 beat the C6 Z06. Don't get me wrong here, the 911 GT2 is an AWESOME car, but with a slight advantage in power to weight ratio, why was it beating the z06 so handily like in the Autocar review.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
I'm just waiting for some real world experience.....
07-09-2009, 09:17 PM
#8
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
I want to do 373's. That is too bad that it's too expensive for RPM. Probably need the entire diff built anyway with all the added power!
SABER is getting his 373s very soon (at LPE) so watch his posts.
, besides 200k vs 75k car FTW
07-10-2009, 10:19 AM
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Le Mans Master
So what? Magazines are fulla crap. Journalists, including automotive journalists, and especially foreign automotive journalists, are anti-American and will use any excuse, justified or otherwise, to bash America, Americans, and American products. This is not new. Stop paying attention to them.
07-10-2009, 11:21 AM
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Once again we have a situation of someone who does not know how to drive the Vette. The guy driving the GT2 probably drives a Porche(s) on a very regular basis. Lets see this test again with someone who owns a Z06 and knows how to drive it.
These guys/members own Z06's and somehow manage to pull times faster than the GT2 in the quarter.
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details
As for the road course driving, lets get a few members who road race their car for that part of the test.
Just my two cents...
These guys/members own Z06's and somehow manage to pull times faster than the GT2 in the quarter.
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details
As for the road course driving, lets get a few members who road race their car for that part of the test.
Just my two cents...
07-10-2009, 11:28 AM
#13
mismatch
I was surprised to see so many videos about how bad the new 911 GT2 beat the C6 Z06. Don't get me wrong here, the 911 GT2 is an AWESOME car, but with a slight advantage in power to weight ratio, why was it beating the z06 so handily like in the Autocar review.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
07-11-2009, 03:57 PM
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
07-12-2009, 11:07 AM
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I was surprised to see so many videos about how bad the new 911 GT2 beat the C6 Z06. Don't get me wrong here, the 911 GT2 is an AWESOME car, but with a slight advantage in power to weight ratio, why was it beating the z06 so handily like in the Autocar review.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
Well, they CONVENIENTLY left out an important piece of information when comparing the two cars (biased media). Take a look at the transmission ratios in the 911 GT2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf
That's a pretty important piece of information don't you think? As a result of this transmission gear ratio, the 911 GT2 pays a penalty by getting 3 MPG less on the highway compared to the Z06!
The problem I have is that the Brits have always mocked American cars for their poor fuel economy. Here, the American sports car sacrifices performance for better gas mileage but all they do is smack talk and sow how much slower the C6 Z06 is. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth!
There is no doubt that if the Z06 put in those ratios that race would be very close and the gas mileage would also be close.
Needless to say the GT2 is an awesome machine, but we have to keep in mind at the end of the day a reviewer is offering his or her opinion on a given experience he or she had with a certain vehicle. Now we all know how opinions go. The Brits have always like to poke fun at the Americans, Most of the brits consider themselves and Europe the civilized world whereas America is some back water hick infested inbred country. Although America has some of the best schools in the world Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, etc America is still uncivilized and barbaric in most of their eyes.
07-12-2009, 06:03 PM
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Here is my Video from a Schleiz Racetrack in Germany .......
http://vimeo.com/5551224
Password.: sportdrivers
and here Pic from my new red Z06 at the Tuner Grand Prix
http://www.tikt.de/performanceparts/tgp/
http://vimeo.com/5551224
Password.: sportdrivers
and here Pic from my new red Z06 at the Tuner Grand Prix
http://www.tikt.de/performanceparts/tgp/
07-13-2009, 03:39 AM
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On our local road course which doesn't have long straights, my stock Z06 is at least 1 sec faster than the 997 GT2. The GT3 & GT3RS is faster than the GT2 on this course. The longest straight is around .6-.7 miles or so.
But the same GT2 on the F1 Bahrain track (Known for loooong straights and heavy on brakes) was at least 8 sec faster than my Z06. I suffered from brake fade which caused me to brake early, but still the GT2 was also 8 sec faster than the same GT3 and GT3RS's with the ceramic brakes.
Conclusion, GT2 does have major grunt in the straights and any course with long straights will favor the GT2 over the Z06 especially when you reach speeds over 160mph in the straights. Also their Ceramic brakes can go on and on all day long from 160+mph to 30-40mph in turn one with no brake fade present. Bahrain has 4 straights that allow GT2 and Z06 reach speeds between 140-160+mph so you can imagine the abuse on the brakes in just one lap.
But the same GT2 on the F1 Bahrain track (Known for loooong straights and heavy on brakes) was at least 8 sec faster than my Z06. I suffered from brake fade which caused me to brake early, but still the GT2 was also 8 sec faster than the same GT3 and GT3RS's with the ceramic brakes.
Conclusion, GT2 does have major grunt in the straights and any course with long straights will favor the GT2 over the Z06 especially when you reach speeds over 160mph in the straights. Also their Ceramic brakes can go on and on all day long from 160+mph to 30-40mph in turn one with no brake fade present. Bahrain has 4 straights that allow GT2 and Z06 reach speeds between 140-160+mph so you can imagine the abuse on the brakes in just one lap.
