[Z06] Z06 compared with GTR
07-27-2011, 12:43 AM
#161
Gtr
6 months and 8000 miles ago, I traded a 2007 Z06 on a 2010 GTR.
When I was making the decision on which way to go, there was quite a
number of debates about the GTR, could it really run the numbers people
claim for it, could it defy physics, and so on.
I thought I would provide my experience and thoughts as a follow up.
A quick summary, because this will be long, and I suspect many here will
not care about the details and won't read the whole thing. Yes, the GTR is
faster than it should be. On the track, it shines. On the street, I don't
like it. Enough so that I wish I had tried a ZR1 instead.
What is driving the GTR like? The interior is quite nice. It feels like
a step up from the Z06 interior. The electronics in the GTR are quite good,
its a very "computer" car. Everything is monitored and measured, and it
can all be displayed in various forms on the cars lcd panel. You actually
do need to read the owners manual. Initially, you'll be amazed by the
dual clutch transmission. When you think about what it is actually doing,
its an incredible piece of work. The car surges a bit when backing up or
rolling out under light throttle, this is the clutches engaging and
disengaging. Early on you find the car likes being on the gas, it smoothes
out everything if you're applying more throttle. This ends up being a
theme, you're rarely wrong to just use more throttle. The car is geared
really, really short. Under light throttle it will upshift into 5th or 6th
gear just driving around in a parking lot. When the transmission shifts
up, its very fast. The engine is fairly quiet, and doesn't suffer from
turbo lag, although its powerband is very top heavy. The dual clutch
transmission has two modes, manual and auto. In manual mode, you control
what gear the car is in via the steering wheel paddle shifters, the auto
mode is exactly what it sounds like. Auto mode drives like you've been
driving for the last few seconds. If you've been driving in traffic, it
upshifts quickly, and aims for good gas milage. If you've had the throttle
mashed, its actually quite good at holding gears and keeping the engine
in boost. Quite good for a computer, but not as good as you would be,
because you know what you're *about* to do, not what you just did.
Lining up with a GTR at a stoplight is bringing a knife to a gunfight.
If you didn't bring your drag radials, and warm them up before, and you're
not using a screen name of "Ranger", well, you're going to get smoked.
If I looked back and didn't see drag radials, I'd not even bother with
the launch control.
The GTR rolls out what feels like a fairly mildly slow 5 - 10 feet as
the engine comes up on boost, but its almost always in the lead already.
The engine hits ~3.5k rpm and starts making real power, the launch gets
serious at this point. The back tires break loose, the AWD indicator shows
power moving forward, and you can feel the front tires grab and pull.
Second gear happens just about the time you've crossed the intersection,
first is just enough to get the car moving. The upshifts are instantaneous
and the car never falls off boost. At any sane stoplight to stoplight
speed, the GTR is done and on the brakes long before you've gotten traction
and started to play catch up.
Lining up with a (stock) GTR on the freeway is taking candy from a baby.
Want to really **** off a GTR owner? Pull up next to him on a roll, get
his attention and instantly mash the throttle. A toyota camry could pull
out a lead for a second or two. A mustang would make it a few seconds. A
Z06 doing a 6 to 2 gear drop and leaving is never going to get caught.
The GTR's achilles heel is downshifting. I can easily ask for 6 gears
down via the steering wheel paddle shifter before it can manage two
downshifts. And when you're at full throttle, the car is never going to
downshift to an optimum gear, you're just going to have to live with
4th gear if you get caught off guard.
You'll see a lot of videos of GTR's doing okay on freeway roll races,
and the one key thing about all of them is the GTR driver knew they were
about to be in a race, and had time to get the car ready to go. Give
the GTR driver 5 seconds to get into the right gear and they can put up
a pretty good fight. Don't miss a gear.
The GTR forums when asked about this will usually say something along
the lines of "well, don't drive around in auto mode, dummy!" And, they're
right. If you drive around in manual, with the engine spooled up to the
top half of the powerband all the time, you'll be ready to go when that
once in a blue moon car pulls up and decides to challenge you.
You'll get really crappy gas milage though. I didn't think I'd notice
the gas milage difference between the Z06 and GTR, but I do. Neither car
is intended for this, but the Z06 gets noticeably better gas milage.
The GTR is quite easy to drive quickly at the racetrack as well. In fact,
my first half day at the track was spent muttering "DAMN this thing is
fast!" At the track, you're always in the top half of the powerband, and
the turbo motor just feels awesomely powerful. This is the only point at
which I felt like the GTR motor compared well to the LS7. For reasons
I'll go into later, I'm often complaining about the GTR motor, its in the
wrong gear, its got poor throttle response, it feels gutless, blah, blah,
blah. At the racetrack, its flawless. The combination of the computer
control of the car and transmission, and that motor are incredible.
You can downshift or upshift midcorner and not upset the car. There will
always be instantaneous power available, and more than you expect. The
power just never stops, the dual clutch transmission pops off upshifts
down the straights and you can actually see the little bobbles as the
other cars shift manually and you make that extra little bit of distance
on them.
As I mentioned earlier, the GTR likes to be on the gas, and especially
so at the track. If you're feeling a little unsettled through turn 2,
try adding in more throttle… Bingo, now you're going faster and the car
is giving feedback that says "happy!". GTR's like to push at the limit,
you can't easily dial the car from push to oversteer as you can in the
Z06. I have experimented with adding some throttle at what feels like
the "push limit" of the car, and it seemed to actually work, adding speed
and feeling less like the car was about to run wide into the grass. There
may be an entire level of additional speed available that I've not
yet ventured into. If so, my thoughts on the Z06 ultimately being faster
than the GTR at the track are probably wrong. The brakes were never a
problem, and the factory tires were also quite impressive. You don't
feel the weight of the car. I think the GTR is supposed to be 600lbs
heavier than a Z06, and you wouldn't ever guess it from behind the
steering wheel. The GTR always gives good feedback on what its doing,
I would rate it better than the Z06 at this. I eventually learned to
tell what the Z06 was doing, but there was a long learning curve, and
it always felt a little vague about just how hard the rear tires were
working in some of the turns. There was a lot of trust involved in adding
gas, with more than a little fear that 505 hp might just bite. That said,
I think the Z06 is a more rewarding car to drive at the track. You can
balance it with the throttle, and when you've nailed a turn, there is
no doubt that you did it, and the computer wasn't driving. As far as
I could tell, the GTR never intervened on my behalf at the track, but
I don't actually know what magic was being performed in the AWD diffs
and other computer controlled parts that might have made my driving
seem better than it really was. My one complaint about the GTR at the
track would be the exhaust note. Its quiet enough that you can't easily
tell what the motor is doing, and I'd like a little more audible
feedback of where I was at.
I'd say you'd need to be one notch up on a GTR driver to match their
speed in a Z06, and a real expert to outperform them. The average
person is going to lap faster in a GTR, hands down.
If you've read up to here (what, probably one person read this far?)
you'd think I'd have a keeper. Unfortunately, most of my time is not
driving at the racetrack. As a daily driver car, the GTR works just
fine. Put it auto mode, point it at the road, and go. It's a little
rough, even with the shocks dialed to the soft mode. It actually has
more interior rattles than the Z06. It has a more accommodating interior
than the Z06, I suspect that is where some of the extra 600lbs comes
from. There is more space, and more gizmos. The nav system is quite
good. I didn't use the nav in the Z06, I do in the GTR.
If you like attention, definitely the GTR is the hands down winner.
I never got comments on the Z06, the GTR gets questions all the time,
pictures snapped, etc.
However… As a high dollar sports car, I don't think the GTR cuts it.
The way I tried to explain it to a friend was "I'm driving a 485hp
car, and its gutless". If you don't drive around in manual mode, looking
for a race all the time, you're going to find that the car just can't
do anything quickly. That brief opening in traffic? Sorry, you can't
get there. The line of 8 cars you want to blast on the freeway onramp?
Sorry, by the time the car wakes up and starts actually putting the
power down, you don't have time to pass them safely any more.
The same combination of engine, computer, and dual clutch transmission
that is so incredible at the racetrack is a fail at street driving.
The engine is in the bottom half of its powerband, and not really
making much power or very responsive. The transmission is in the wrong
gear, and can't get to the right gear any time soon.
Even worse are the little "glitches" where the fact that the computer
is COMPLETELY in charge really show through. Early on I discovered that
the throttle is just a suggestion to the computer. Every morning as I
drive to work, there is a stop sign I need to turn left at. You approach
it at 20 - 25mph, stop, usually its clear, and pull out. Sometimes if
there is traffic, you need to go quickly, or not at all. The problem is
if the car was in 3rd or 4th as you come up to the stop, the car is
downshifting. Now you see a brief opening, and say "go now". You've got
the throttle 1/3 open, and NOTHING. So you give the car more gas. Still
NOTHING. Finally, I've got the thing completely floored, and we're at
idle going nowhere. Also, my window to safely pull out into traffic has
closed, so I am backing off the throttle, intending to wait this out.
Of course, now the car has finished downshifting, notes that I had it
floored and says "Oh crap, go NOW!", so I lurch out into traffic like a
total jerk, cutting people off.
Another annoyance that will crop up sooner or later. Back out of the
driveway in a small hurry, say you're late for work. Step on the brake
lightly, and pop the car in drive. Let off the brake and step on the
gas. If you didn't completely kill all the rearward motion of the car,
enjoy sitting there with the tach bouncing off the rev limiter. Apparently
the computer safeguards prevent the clutches from engaging while the
car is rolling backwards, but the gas pedal isn't also safeguarded.
A great deal of these flaws wouldn't be a problem if the dual clutch
could downshift quicker. If it could pop down gears as fast as I could
ask for them, this review would be a LOT different.
This is my longest post to Corvette Forum ever, I think
. It probably
won't be read by many, but I hope it provides some food for thought for
anyone else that might be considering purchase of a GTR.
When I was making the decision on which way to go, there was quite a
number of debates about the GTR, could it really run the numbers people
claim for it, could it defy physics, and so on.
I thought I would provide my experience and thoughts as a follow up.
A quick summary, because this will be long, and I suspect many here will
not care about the details and won't read the whole thing. Yes, the GTR is
faster than it should be. On the track, it shines. On the street, I don't
like it. Enough so that I wish I had tried a ZR1 instead.
What is driving the GTR like? The interior is quite nice. It feels like
a step up from the Z06 interior. The electronics in the GTR are quite good,
its a very "computer" car. Everything is monitored and measured, and it
can all be displayed in various forms on the cars lcd panel. You actually
do need to read the owners manual. Initially, you'll be amazed by the
dual clutch transmission. When you think about what it is actually doing,
its an incredible piece of work. The car surges a bit when backing up or
rolling out under light throttle, this is the clutches engaging and
disengaging. Early on you find the car likes being on the gas, it smoothes
out everything if you're applying more throttle. This ends up being a
theme, you're rarely wrong to just use more throttle. The car is geared
really, really short. Under light throttle it will upshift into 5th or 6th
gear just driving around in a parking lot. When the transmission shifts
up, its very fast. The engine is fairly quiet, and doesn't suffer from
turbo lag, although its powerband is very top heavy. The dual clutch
transmission has two modes, manual and auto. In manual mode, you control
what gear the car is in via the steering wheel paddle shifters, the auto
mode is exactly what it sounds like. Auto mode drives like you've been
driving for the last few seconds. If you've been driving in traffic, it
upshifts quickly, and aims for good gas milage. If you've had the throttle
mashed, its actually quite good at holding gears and keeping the engine
in boost. Quite good for a computer, but not as good as you would be,
because you know what you're *about* to do, not what you just did.
Lining up with a GTR at a stoplight is bringing a knife to a gunfight.
If you didn't bring your drag radials, and warm them up before, and you're
not using a screen name of "Ranger", well, you're going to get smoked.
If I looked back and didn't see drag radials, I'd not even bother with
the launch control.
The GTR rolls out what feels like a fairly mildly slow 5 - 10 feet as
the engine comes up on boost, but its almost always in the lead already.
The engine hits ~3.5k rpm and starts making real power, the launch gets
serious at this point. The back tires break loose, the AWD indicator shows
power moving forward, and you can feel the front tires grab and pull.
Second gear happens just about the time you've crossed the intersection,
first is just enough to get the car moving. The upshifts are instantaneous
and the car never falls off boost. At any sane stoplight to stoplight
speed, the GTR is done and on the brakes long before you've gotten traction
and started to play catch up.
Lining up with a (stock) GTR on the freeway is taking candy from a baby.
Want to really **** off a GTR owner? Pull up next to him on a roll, get
his attention and instantly mash the throttle. A toyota camry could pull
out a lead for a second or two. A mustang would make it a few seconds. A
Z06 doing a 6 to 2 gear drop and leaving is never going to get caught.
The GTR's achilles heel is downshifting. I can easily ask for 6 gears
down via the steering wheel paddle shifter before it can manage two
downshifts. And when you're at full throttle, the car is never going to
downshift to an optimum gear, you're just going to have to live with
4th gear if you get caught off guard.
You'll see a lot of videos of GTR's doing okay on freeway roll races,
and the one key thing about all of them is the GTR driver knew they were
about to be in a race, and had time to get the car ready to go. Give
the GTR driver 5 seconds to get into the right gear and they can put up
a pretty good fight. Don't miss a gear.
The GTR forums when asked about this will usually say something along
the lines of "well, don't drive around in auto mode, dummy!" And, they're
right. If you drive around in manual, with the engine spooled up to the
top half of the powerband all the time, you'll be ready to go when that
once in a blue moon car pulls up and decides to challenge you.
You'll get really crappy gas milage though. I didn't think I'd notice
the gas milage difference between the Z06 and GTR, but I do. Neither car
is intended for this, but the Z06 gets noticeably better gas milage.
The GTR is quite easy to drive quickly at the racetrack as well. In fact,
my first half day at the track was spent muttering "DAMN this thing is
fast!" At the track, you're always in the top half of the powerband, and
the turbo motor just feels awesomely powerful. This is the only point at
which I felt like the GTR motor compared well to the LS7. For reasons
I'll go into later, I'm often complaining about the GTR motor, its in the
wrong gear, its got poor throttle response, it feels gutless, blah, blah,
blah. At the racetrack, its flawless. The combination of the computer
control of the car and transmission, and that motor are incredible.
You can downshift or upshift midcorner and not upset the car. There will
always be instantaneous power available, and more than you expect. The
power just never stops, the dual clutch transmission pops off upshifts
down the straights and you can actually see the little bobbles as the
other cars shift manually and you make that extra little bit of distance
on them.
As I mentioned earlier, the GTR likes to be on the gas, and especially
so at the track. If you're feeling a little unsettled through turn 2,
try adding in more throttle… Bingo, now you're going faster and the car
is giving feedback that says "happy!". GTR's like to push at the limit,
you can't easily dial the car from push to oversteer as you can in the
Z06. I have experimented with adding some throttle at what feels like
the "push limit" of the car, and it seemed to actually work, adding speed
and feeling less like the car was about to run wide into the grass. There
may be an entire level of additional speed available that I've not
yet ventured into. If so, my thoughts on the Z06 ultimately being faster
than the GTR at the track are probably wrong. The brakes were never a
problem, and the factory tires were also quite impressive. You don't
feel the weight of the car. I think the GTR is supposed to be 600lbs
heavier than a Z06, and you wouldn't ever guess it from behind the
steering wheel. The GTR always gives good feedback on what its doing,
I would rate it better than the Z06 at this. I eventually learned to
tell what the Z06 was doing, but there was a long learning curve, and
it always felt a little vague about just how hard the rear tires were
working in some of the turns. There was a lot of trust involved in adding
gas, with more than a little fear that 505 hp might just bite. That said,
I think the Z06 is a more rewarding car to drive at the track. You can
balance it with the throttle, and when you've nailed a turn, there is
no doubt that you did it, and the computer wasn't driving. As far as
I could tell, the GTR never intervened on my behalf at the track, but
I don't actually know what magic was being performed in the AWD diffs
and other computer controlled parts that might have made my driving
seem better than it really was. My one complaint about the GTR at the
track would be the exhaust note. Its quiet enough that you can't easily
tell what the motor is doing, and I'd like a little more audible
feedback of where I was at.
I'd say you'd need to be one notch up on a GTR driver to match their
speed in a Z06, and a real expert to outperform them. The average
person is going to lap faster in a GTR, hands down.
If you've read up to here (what, probably one person read this far?)
you'd think I'd have a keeper. Unfortunately, most of my time is not
driving at the racetrack. As a daily driver car, the GTR works just
fine. Put it auto mode, point it at the road, and go. It's a little
rough, even with the shocks dialed to the soft mode. It actually has
more interior rattles than the Z06. It has a more accommodating interior
than the Z06, I suspect that is where some of the extra 600lbs comes
from. There is more space, and more gizmos. The nav system is quite
good. I didn't use the nav in the Z06, I do in the GTR.
If you like attention, definitely the GTR is the hands down winner.
I never got comments on the Z06, the GTR gets questions all the time,
pictures snapped, etc.
However… As a high dollar sports car, I don't think the GTR cuts it.
The way I tried to explain it to a friend was "I'm driving a 485hp
car, and its gutless". If you don't drive around in manual mode, looking
for a race all the time, you're going to find that the car just can't
do anything quickly. That brief opening in traffic? Sorry, you can't
get there. The line of 8 cars you want to blast on the freeway onramp?
Sorry, by the time the car wakes up and starts actually putting the
power down, you don't have time to pass them safely any more.
The same combination of engine, computer, and dual clutch transmission
that is so incredible at the racetrack is a fail at street driving.
The engine is in the bottom half of its powerband, and not really
making much power or very responsive. The transmission is in the wrong
gear, and can't get to the right gear any time soon.
Even worse are the little "glitches" where the fact that the computer
is COMPLETELY in charge really show through. Early on I discovered that
the throttle is just a suggestion to the computer. Every morning as I
drive to work, there is a stop sign I need to turn left at. You approach
it at 20 - 25mph, stop, usually its clear, and pull out. Sometimes if
there is traffic, you need to go quickly, or not at all. The problem is
if the car was in 3rd or 4th as you come up to the stop, the car is
downshifting. Now you see a brief opening, and say "go now". You've got
the throttle 1/3 open, and NOTHING. So you give the car more gas. Still
NOTHING. Finally, I've got the thing completely floored, and we're at
idle going nowhere. Also, my window to safely pull out into traffic has
closed, so I am backing off the throttle, intending to wait this out.
Of course, now the car has finished downshifting, notes that I had it
floored and says "Oh crap, go NOW!", so I lurch out into traffic like a
total jerk, cutting people off.
Another annoyance that will crop up sooner or later. Back out of the
driveway in a small hurry, say you're late for work. Step on the brake
lightly, and pop the car in drive. Let off the brake and step on the
gas. If you didn't completely kill all the rearward motion of the car,
enjoy sitting there with the tach bouncing off the rev limiter. Apparently
the computer safeguards prevent the clutches from engaging while the
car is rolling backwards, but the gas pedal isn't also safeguarded.
A great deal of these flaws wouldn't be a problem if the dual clutch
could downshift quicker. If it could pop down gears as fast as I could
ask for them, this review would be a LOT different.
This is my longest post to Corvette Forum ever, I think
. It probablywon't be read by many, but I hope it provides some food for thought for
anyone else that might be considering purchase of a GTR.
07-27-2011, 12:44 AM
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AMS ALPHA 12 Worlds FIRST 8 second GT-R
New info for those that care.
AMS ALPHA 12 just became the Worlds FIRST 8 second GT-R.
Tonight the ALPHA 12 package went back to the track with more favorable weather conditions. The result was the worlds first 8 second GT-R!
Even with a 1.668 60 foot the ALPHA 12 went 8.975@169.49 mph!
Traction was still an issue and untill they are able to get some slicks under that car it's going to be a problem getting much better times IMO.
60 foot 1.668
330ft 4.166
1/8th mile 6.042
1/8 mph 132.74
1000ft 7.634
1/4 8.975
1/4 mph 169.49
NOTE: In addition to the first ever 8 sec pass by a R35 GT-R.
The AMS Alpha 12 broke the 60-130 time record for a street car with a 3.34 60-130mph!
For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for some other vehicles:
3:34 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.40 - TT Viper, Auto, DRs
3.46 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo Nera, 2-shifts
3.58 - timsanders / AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.61 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / 1-shift
3.85 - Switzer R1K GT-R
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
3.96 - 996TT / 902 rwhp & 908 rwtq / 0-shifts
4.52 - SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.81 - E30 325i, turbocharged, E85, Drag Radials
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp
8.28 - Porsche Panamera TT with ecu flash
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.42 - 2010 CTS-V / stock / 1-shift
9.5 - Porsche 997TT / stock
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.79 - C63 with P31 package / stock
9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.93 - E63 AMG / stock
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81 - Lexus IS-F / Stock
12.42 - 2012 Mustang GT with mid-pipe and tune
13.77- Bentley GTC / Stock
14.05 - 2012 Mustang GT / stock
14.36 - Audi RS6 / stock
14.39 - Mercedes ML63 / Stock
All I have to say is congrats guys. Great shop!
Sorry guys back to topic.
AMS ALPHA 12 just became the Worlds FIRST 8 second GT-R.
Tonight the ALPHA 12 package went back to the track with more favorable weather conditions. The result was the worlds first 8 second GT-R!
Even with a 1.668 60 foot the ALPHA 12 went 8.975@169.49 mph!
Traction was still an issue and untill they are able to get some slicks under that car it's going to be a problem getting much better times IMO.
60 foot 1.668
330ft 4.166
1/8th mile 6.042
1/8 mph 132.74
1000ft 7.634
1/4 8.975
1/4 mph 169.49
NOTE: In addition to the first ever 8 sec pass by a R35 GT-R.
The AMS Alpha 12 broke the 60-130 time record for a street car with a 3.34 60-130mph!
For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for some other vehicles:
3:34 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.40 - TT Viper, Auto, DRs
3.46 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo Nera, 2-shifts
3.58 - timsanders / AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.61 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / 1-shift
3.85 - Switzer R1K GT-R
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
3.96 - 996TT / 902 rwhp & 908 rwtq / 0-shifts
4.52 - SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.81 - E30 325i, turbocharged, E85, Drag Radials
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp
8.28 - Porsche Panamera TT with ecu flash
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.42 - 2010 CTS-V / stock / 1-shift
9.5 - Porsche 997TT / stock
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.79 - C63 with P31 package / stock
9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.93 - E63 AMG / stock
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81 - Lexus IS-F / Stock
12.42 - 2012 Mustang GT with mid-pipe and tune
13.77- Bentley GTC / Stock
14.05 - 2012 Mustang GT / stock
14.36 - Audi RS6 / stock
14.39 - Mercedes ML63 / Stock
All I have to say is congrats guys. Great shop!
Sorry guys back to topic.
Last edited by Wanderer Z06; 07-27-2011 at 12:52 AM.
07-27-2011, 12:56 AM
#163
Gtr
Those times are very impressive for a out of the box off the show room to the race track machine. I'm still not going to change my Dollars to Yen.
New info for those that care.
AMS ALPHA 12 just became the Worlds FIRST 8 second GT-R.
Tonight the ALPHA 12 package went back to the track with more favorable weather conditions. The result was the worlds first 8 second GT-R!
Even with a 1.668 60 foot the ALPHA 12 went 8.975@169.49 mph!
Traction was still an issue and untill they are able to get some slicks under that car it's going to be a problem getting much better times IMO.
60 foot 1.668
330ft 4.166
1/8th mile 6.042
1/8 mph 132.74
1000ft 7.634
1/4 8.975
1/4 mph 169.49
NOTE: In addition to the first ever 8 sec pass by a R35 GT-R.
The AMS Alpha 12 broke the 60-130 time record for a street car with a 3.34 60-130mph!
For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for some other vehicles:
3:34 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.40 - TT Viper, Auto, DRs
3.46 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo Nera, 2-shifts
3.58 - timsanders / AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.61 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / 1-shift
3.85 - Switzer R1K GT-R
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
3.96 - 996TT / 902 rwhp & 908 rwtq / 0-shifts
4.52 - SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.81 - E30 325i, turbocharged, E85, Drag Radials
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp
8.28 - Porsche Panamera TT with ecu flash
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.42 - 2010 CTS-V / stock / 1-shift
9.5 - Porsche 997TT / stock
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.79 - C63 with P31 package / stock
9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.93 - E63 AMG / stock
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81 - Lexus IS-F / Stock
12.42 - 2012 Mustang GT with mid-pipe and tune
13.77- Bentley GTC / Stock
14.05 - 2012 Mustang GT / stock
14.36 - Audi RS6 / stock
14.39 - Mercedes ML63 / Stock
All I have to say is congrats guys. Great shop!
Sorry guys back back to topic.
AMS ALPHA 12 just became the Worlds FIRST 8 second GT-R.
Tonight the ALPHA 12 package went back to the track with more favorable weather conditions. The result was the worlds first 8 second GT-R!
Even with a 1.668 60 foot the ALPHA 12 went 8.975@169.49 mph!
Traction was still an issue and untill they are able to get some slicks under that car it's going to be a problem getting much better times IMO.
60 foot 1.668
330ft 4.166
1/8th mile 6.042
1/8 mph 132.74
1000ft 7.634
1/4 8.975
1/4 mph 169.49
NOTE: In addition to the first ever 8 sec pass by a R35 GT-R.
The AMS Alpha 12 broke the 60-130 time record for a street car with a 3.34 60-130mph!
For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for some other vehicles:
3:34 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.40 - TT Viper, Auto, DRs
3.46 - AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo Nera, 2-shifts
3.58 - timsanders / AMS Alpha 12 GT-R
3.61 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo / 1-shift
3.85 - Switzer R1K GT-R
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
3.96 - 996TT / 902 rwhp & 908 rwtq / 0-shifts
4.52 - SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.81 - E30 325i, turbocharged, E85, Drag Radials
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp
8.28 - Porsche Panamera TT with ecu flash
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.42 - 2010 CTS-V / stock / 1-shift
9.5 - Porsche 997TT / stock
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.79 - C63 with P31 package / stock
9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.93 - E63 AMG / stock
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81 - Lexus IS-F / Stock
12.42 - 2012 Mustang GT with mid-pipe and tune
13.77- Bentley GTC / Stock
14.05 - 2012 Mustang GT / stock
14.36 - Audi RS6 / stock
14.39 - Mercedes ML63 / Stock
All I have to say is congrats guys. Great shop!
Sorry guys back back to topic.
07-29-2011, 09:00 AM
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jmc5 is right on with what he has shared about his experience!
As an owner of 07 Z06 & 09 GT R I had been agonizing for weeks as I debated which car should be replaced. I needed a "new" DD.
Bottom line is I really prefer driving the Z06. So I ordered a carbon model 2012 Z06.
Arctic white with ebony. I'm told delivery is 7 weeks.
I have a cage & other gear so I guess my new daily driver will see some track time & probably an open road race in Ely Nv come September.
Cheers,
Roland AKA Ruf Racer
As an owner of 07 Z06 & 09 GT R I had been agonizing for weeks as I debated which car should be replaced. I needed a "new" DD.
Bottom line is I really prefer driving the Z06. So I ordered a carbon model 2012 Z06.
Arctic white with ebony. I'm told delivery is 7 weeks.
I have a cage & other gear so I guess my new daily driver will see some track time & probably an open road race in Ely Nv come September.
Cheers,
Roland AKA Ruf Racer
07-29-2011, 06:43 PM
#168
Drifting
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.8 - ESS SC'd E92 M3 DCT / 3-shifts
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.06 - C6 Z06, intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
07-29-2011, 08:37 PM
#169
Melting Slicks
3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
4.88 - 1,080 rwhp C6 Z06
traction issues with the z?
i wonder what could do with perfect traction
07-29-2011, 09:34 PM
#170
Le Mans Master
Traction maybe, shift speed maybe, I wonder which car had bettter avg rwhp over the rpm band being utilized. Usually turbo cars own SC cars in this dept.
07-29-2011, 10:26 PM
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ET Drags, TH400. That means it most likely had A lot more traction and probably made more power at the flywheel. A TH400 takes a lot of power from drivetrain loss. That Supra probably has 1/4 ETs and trap speeds like a 1200whp car.
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07-29-2011, 11:55 PM
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07-30-2011, 12:05 AM
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07-30-2011, 12:14 AM
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Rumor has it that UGR's latest TT Lambo with auto and making 1900whp did a 100 - 150mph in 1.7sec!!!! 
If this is true that would put the Lambo bus lengths ahead of the fastest car on this list... the AMS Alpha 12 GT-R.
Hard to imagine. Cars are getting insanely fast.
If this is true that would put the Lambo bus lengths ahead of the fastest car on this list... the AMS Alpha 12 GT-R.
Hard to imagine. Cars are getting insanely fast.
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07-30-2011, 01:02 AM
#175
Drifting
11-04-2013, 10:32 PM
#176
Drifting
I enjoyed this read a lot and as an avid manual transmission advocate I connected when you griped about the trans sitting there and figured out when to go off a stop sign.
11-05-2013, 07:38 AM
#177
Burning Brakes
Great read! I have a friend that is a GTR guru and builds them for a living. He says the transmission is a weak point. But its funny, hes all GTR until he seen mine. Now he swears he wants a Z06 to go with his GTR. He keeps pushing me to get a plate that says GTR LOL so he can get a Z06 LOL plate. I think they are fast but ugly cars but I do hold my opinion to myself in his presence
