[Z06] Anyone Else pissed off by the 2013 427 Convertible Announcement
01-15-2012, 03:42 PM
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Anyone Else pissed off by the 2013 427 Convertible Announcement
As an owner of a couple 427 Corvette's I have to tell you I'm a bit irritated by the recent GM announcement of the 2013 427 convertible. GM Marketing has been pushing what they claim to be unique limited production cars at a premium price just to make a similar combination available one-two years later. For example:
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
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01-15-2012, 03:44 PM
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As an owner of one of a couple 427 Corvette's I have to tell you I'm a bit irritated by the recent GM announcement of the 2013 427 convertible. GM Marketing has been pushing what they claim to be unique limited production cars at a premium price just to make a similar combination available one-two years later. For example:
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purpose. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purpose. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
What bothers me more than GM doing it is, owners doing it!
01-15-2012, 03:46 PM
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So you'd want them them to not make any improvements or changes at all over the life of the line? If so, your Z wouldn't exist. Nor would the ZR.
I think it makes the line-up stronger, more competitive, and each model offers something distinct from which buyers can choose.
Heck, if you think it's bad in vette world, go check out the P cars. Over 20 variants of the 911 available in 2011.
The platform gets better over time and offers more and more choices over time. That in IMO is a good thing.
I think it makes the line-up stronger, more competitive, and each model offers something distinct from which buyers can choose.
Heck, if you think it's bad in vette world, go check out the P cars. Over 20 variants of the 911 available in 2011.
The platform gets better over time and offers more and more choices over time. That in IMO is a good thing.
01-15-2012, 04:08 PM
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As an owner of one of a couple 427 Corvette's I have to tell you I'm a bit irritated by the recent GM announcement of the 2013 427 convertible. GM Marketing has been pushing what they claim to be unique limited production cars at a premium price just to make a similar combination available one-two years later. For example:
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purpose. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purpose. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
And in actuality, and purely by coincidence, prior to my own purchase, another forum member, whose name I won't call, and who was quite vocal on the forum with sentiment exactly as yours, had emailed me that he had a few months ago purchased an F150 Platinum.
As the current owner of multiple GM products, he even went to the trouble of writing GM a strongly worded letter, expressing his displeasure with the route they were taking with the C6 related to the Z06. Told them to check their records and that they could see that he was indeed a multi time purchaser and current owner of GM products aside from his Z06.
He sent me that email months ago. Forgetting about his email from all of those months back, I ended up following suit for some of the same reasons both he and you state.
I know what you are saying, but it could have been worse.
There were some who wanted the 427 plucked out of the current Z06 and made available for all C6 Corvettes, and based on what GM has done so far, I would not have been one bit surprised had they done just that. I would not have put it past them and it is one of the reason why it was so easy for me to predict, prior to the announcement of this new car, that it would be built.
Pissed off about it??? Hardly. In fact I'm elated. Especially considering GM's past moves when it has come to the C6 Z06.
Now the whole generation can die out.
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01-15-2012, 04:10 PM
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I tend to agree that the way GM markets these cars as collectable is laughable and I'd hope must people realize this. Just like these special edition Mustangs that they slap a huge mark up on etc. IMO the only modern day car that's truly collectable is/was the Ford GT.
post some pics of that 68!
post some pics of that 68!
01-15-2012, 04:10 PM
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If what you say were true, then it would mean it's a zero sum game. I don't think that's the case. Buyers of vettes, whether previous vette owners or conquest customers (i.e. stolen from other brands), are not homegenous in their wants/needs. The overall - total - lineup was helped by the GS. And by the Z and ZR.
And the 427 Vert will impart no "harm" to the overall lineup either.
01-15-2012, 04:22 PM
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I think that what I am really hearing is folks that bet on the collectability of a model and are now upset because that bet is not going to pay off.
I don't think the collectors value can even be guessed this early in the game, come back in 20-30 years and then we will know if a particular model was worth "investing" in.
I don't think the collectors value can even be guessed this early in the game, come back in 20-30 years and then we will know if a particular model was worth "investing" in.
01-15-2012, 04:33 PM
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I love the 427 vert and think that it was a smart move by GM. This car will not be cheap (my guess is that it will sticker over $90K).
I will not trade in my Z06 for it, but I understand GM's position an rationale for the car.
I will not trade in my Z06 for it, but I understand GM's position an rationale for the car.
01-15-2012, 04:34 PM
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More options the better. As far as I care you should be able to go online and order a vette however you want. Pick the motor, tranny, body panels (wide, narrow), coupe, hardtop, vette, wheels, rear end ratio, interior, etc.
Anyone buying new vettes to collect or special editions expecting them to have more value is just delusional.
Anyone buying new vettes to collect or special editions expecting them to have more value is just delusional.
01-15-2012, 04:38 PM
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As an owner of one of a couple 427 Corvette's I have to tell you I'm a bit irritated by the recent GM announcement of the 2013 427 convertible. GM Marketing has been pushing what they claim to be unique limited production cars at a premium price just to make a similar combination available one-two years later. For example:
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
That said the 427 vert I welcome and I'm pumped about. It's actutally unique and is already an instantly desirable C6.
It could be MUCH worse.....imagine any run-of-the-mill Grand Sport being able to check the 427 option box, that would destroy the Z06 entirely.
What it's done (the 427 vert's existence) is solidified the Grand Sport as the sheep in wolves clothing of the C6 line. The GS is now relegated a notch lower on the C6 model listing. While setting up the "Z06 coupe" and "Z06 vert" on a similar level.
Bottom line is Z06 owners shouldn't be upset.....but I can understand why this 427 vert would irk a lot of GS owners.
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01-15-2012, 04:42 PM
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As an owner of one of a couple 427 Corvette's I have to tell you I'm a bit irritated by the recent GM announcement of the 2013 427 convertible. GM Marketing has been pushing what they claim to be unique limited production cars at a premium price just to make a similar combination available one-two years later. For example:
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
- 2007 Ron Fellows Z06 in white- three years later the Z06 std colors included white
- 2008 Wil Cooksey 427 Z06 in Crystal Red - two years later the Z06 std colors included Crystal red
- All c6 Z06’s - The introduction of Grand Sport body with ZR1 and Z06 body appeal.
Now we get the 2013 427 Convertible. I love my 68 427 Convertible three duce car and my 427 Will Cooksey Z06 but I have to tell you I’m getting sick & tied of GM doing this stuff to loyal corvette owners. This is the stuff that will drive me toward another manufacture for my next car or truck purchase. Anyone else pissed off about GM undercutting previous customers.
No it doesn't **** me off. You should worry about bigger things in life than what GM markets.
01-15-2012, 04:47 PM
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No doubt GM has really ruined "special edition" Corvettes, your citing of the RF Z06 and Cooksey 427 Z06 are glaring problems, but one thing I've learned to count on is when "special editions" with merely colors/graphics/rim designs are released, GM will ***** out the colors in short time. I don't consider the RF/Cooksey all that special.
That said the 427 vert I welcome and I'm pumped about. It's actutally unique and is already an instantly desirable C6.
It could be MUCH worse.....imagine any run-of-the-mill Grand Sport being able to check the 427 option box, that would destroy the Z06 entirely.
What it's done (the 427 vert's existence) is solidified the Grand Sport as the sheep in wolves clothing of the C6 line. The GS is now relegated a notch lower on the C6 model listing. While setting up the "Z06 coupe" and "Z06 vert" on a similar level.
That said the 427 vert I welcome and I'm pumped about. It's actutally unique and is already an instantly desirable C6.
It could be MUCH worse.....imagine any run-of-the-mill Grand Sport being able to check the 427 option box, that would destroy the Z06 entirely.
What it's done (the 427 vert's existence) is solidified the Grand Sport as the sheep in wolves clothing of the C6 line. The GS is now relegated a notch lower on the C6 model listing. While setting up the "Z06 coupe" and "Z06 vert" on a similar level.
On another note, I recall some of the ZR1 owners being peeved when the Z06 Carbons came out with the carbon ceramic rotors and brakes from the ZR1, the roof and other Carbon fiber parts previously exclusive to the ZR1.
So GM's habitual practice of doing this sort of thing is alienating people and can only serve to come back and bite them in the rear.
Last thing "Gubment motors" needs is to alienate any more customers than they have already. They are already taking a bad whuppin' at the hands of Ford, Dodge, Toyota, in the truck market as it is, and with myself and at least one other regular in this section of the forum, missed out on a new truck sale in part due to their moves with the Z06.
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01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
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I think that what I am really hearing is folks that bet on the collectability of a model and are now upset because that bet is not going to pay off.
I don't think the collectors value can even be guessed this early in the game, come back in 20-30 years and then we will know if a particular model was worth "investing" in.
I don't think the collectors value can even be guessed this early in the game, come back in 20-30 years and then we will know if a particular model was worth "investing" in.
01-15-2012, 05:03 PM
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I think the LS7 vert is a cool idea. If you're that upset about it you can check out the 370z's. I hear they are great cars.
01-15-2012, 05:19 PM
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I see the Z06 being dropped from the line up, and the 427 along with it in the years to come. The ZR1 killed Z06 sales not the GS imho, the Z06 is a middel man now. Don't be suprised to see the GS being offered with a "Z06" performance package option. But who knows. EPA is a bitch..