[Z06] POLL: Valve Problems
#21
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
If you just dropped a valve and came here for assistance would you want to read through page after page of bickering? I know for me it creates uncertainty of who is right and who is wrong.
#22
Racer
This is what happened to me... only difference with my thread and others is the 200+ pictures I attached... lol
#23
To be honest, I could put something like that together myself, i.e. list the vendors in here who recommend one method of managing this matter, vs those who advocate another method.
But I don't know that posting that information up in the form of a sticky would send the right message to people visiting this forum.
The fact that such a thread is "needed", and at the very top of the forum no less, so that it can be seen and read by all who enter, i.e. a thread basically giving owners and potential owners, instructions and a roadmap, on what to do for when your motor pops, or worse, what to do to prevent it from popping, is an embarrassment and amounts to an admission that the problem is not minor. Anything but. Certainly won't inspire confidence.
To nail that to the top of this forum, could have serious repercussions on the already reeling reputation of the LS7. It's bad enough, that Rocker thread they have up. You definitely would not want a "Prevention and Management of Popped Motor" sticky thread above or beneath that too.
Worst case scenario, this could have an impact on resale value, as well as impact new and used sales of Z06s of forum dealers, and off forum dealers, and impact their bottom lines well beyond any detrimental effects this issue has had thus far to this point.
I don't see the forum dealers in here, who pay to advertise in here, being on board for something like this.
In short, I don't see such an endeavor, which would basically be a "We're the guys to call for when your motor pops" thread, as being necessarily a good thing.
Completely agree. Threads like the Valve one currently being discussed lose credibility to many people looking for real answers to a real problem if it just becomes a bicker match of who is right and who is wrong.
If you just dropped a valve and came here for assistance would you want to read through page after page of bickering? I know for me it creates uncertainty of who is right and who is wrong.
If you just dropped a valve and came here for assistance would you want to read through page after page of bickering? I know for me it creates uncertainty of who is right and who is wrong.
But like I say above, I'm not so sure a sticky, basically admitting this problem, is a good thing. On the contrary, if anyone thinks that it is blown out of proportion now, well then a sticky on engine failures, would definitely blow it even further out of proportion.
I would simply want to know "What works so that this doesn't happen to me again", and I would want to know it from professionals who have experience in it's management, as well as private owner's who have experience with it's management and I'd like to know of their outcomes.
I would want to hear from more than one professional, and I would want to know the backgrounds of those professionals.
I would have no use however, for the musing of those who had absolutely no experience in it's management, nor in evaluating outcomes of various methods of managing it, and would make that known no sooner than I stepped in here.
But I think we can get that in a regular thread.
Look at what we have in the stickies now and really it's bad enough. The clutch pedal issue, the head swap how to, the rocker arm issue, and ask yourself how a "popped motor issue, prevention and management" sticky would look alongside the rest of them.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; 05-06-2013 at 12:24 AM.
#24
Race Director
1. Agree on the consolidation, OP. Or a sub-forum.
2. Why must a holed block result in a $15K engine? Seriously, wouldn't a bare block and a rebuild with salvaged parts be an option? For sure you'd need: bare block, couple of valves, one bare cylinder head, one piston, probably a piston pin and maybe a rod. Plus all the consumables (gaskets, bearings, bushings, seals, etc). Crank should survive, shouldn't it?
Some stuff you probably couldn't clean the debris out of and should replace to be on the safe side: oil lines for sure, intake manifold maybe, cats maybe.
I have to be overlooking something?
2. Why must a holed block result in a $15K engine? Seriously, wouldn't a bare block and a rebuild with salvaged parts be an option? For sure you'd need: bare block, couple of valves, one bare cylinder head, one piston, probably a piston pin and maybe a rod. Plus all the consumables (gaskets, bearings, bushings, seals, etc). Crank should survive, shouldn't it?
Some stuff you probably couldn't clean the debris out of and should replace to be on the safe side: oil lines for sure, intake manifold maybe, cats maybe.
I have to be overlooking something?
Ah. The price tag starts going up for a rebuild, then... I saw that a new bare block starts at $3K; a crank would be another $1K. One (!) piston is $800, a bare head is $1K, one con rod is $350 (cheaper than I would have thought). Man.... over $6K and just getting started.
Okay, thanks for the info
Okay, thanks for the info
If I was unlucky enough to have my car's engine "blow up" I wouldn't want any of the motor's parts re-used, including the block. Just replace the entire motor and move on. The perception of greater reliability resides in the latter course of action.
For those no longer having warranty, this is a serious economic gamble to take: either fix the heads/valve-train using an upgraded after-market solution, or sell the car if one can't afford to replace the engine if it breaks. And not everyone can, either...
Damn shame...
#26
Safety Car